IRC log of rqtf on 2023-04-12

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Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 12 April 2023
11:57:18 [jasonjgw]
present+
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chair: jasonjgw
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agenda+ Media synchronization use cases and user needs.
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agenda+ Task Force publications relevant to metaverse standardization, and related issues.
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agenda+ Miscellaneous updates and topics.
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scribe: SteveNoble
13:03:10 [jasonjgw]
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13:05:01 [SteveNoble]
jasonjgw: Have found tables in wiki page useful
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_video_container_formats
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jasonjgw: Different container formats can contain transcripts and subtitles in packages
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janina: Differences between transcripts and captions which are not well defined in specs
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janina: Metadata needs to define whether captions and transcripts are part of the package
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jasonjgw: Need to review container formats more thoroughly.
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present+ Raja
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Raja: One element is the intellectual property considerations for some of these container technologies
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janina: Example of various IP licensing of content which limits descriptions from one vendor to another
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janina: Where and why something is blocked could be contained in the metadata
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Raja: Distinction between auto captions and human captions
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Raja: For example, YouTube includes autocaptions
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Raja: We need to confirm
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Janina: Can a YouTube user turn on autocaptions?
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Raja: Not sure if these are always provided, but the platform makes it possible to provide autocaptions
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janina: Agree that we need to research and document these capabilities
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jasonjgw: We can add more to our wiki page as we do our research
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jasonjgw: We need to keep investigating over the next week or so...bring back next week
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janina: Should also address in upcoming iterations of the EPUB standard
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zakim, next item
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agendum 1 -- Media synchronization use cases and user needs. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
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zakim, take up item 2
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agendum 2 -- Task Force publications relevant to metaverse standardization, and related issues. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:23:30 [SteveNoble]
jasonjgw: Not much to update since last time other than an additional reference that was added
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janina: Do we also want to reference the MAUR?
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jasonjgw: Would lean toward including it
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janina: Content Useable may be generally applicable
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jasonjgw: Further thoughts?
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zakim, next item
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agendum 1 -- Media synchronization use cases and user needs. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
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zakim, take up item 3
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agendum 3 -- Miscellaneous updates and topics. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:26:58 [SteveNoble]
jasonjgw: Other items we need to address?
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janina: Discussion around plans to register accessible metadata for human readable
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jasonjgw: We could help with taxonomy at some point
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jasonjgw: Concerning IP issues around alternate media versions, there is a recent book on this
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janina: Example of the DCMA exemption for accessibility
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jasonjgw: Will send out the link to the reference
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janina: Legal history on Fair Use statute which cites accessibility many years ago
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jasonjgw: A lot happening on machine learning
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jasonjgw: Recent research on emergent learning of AI, based on the theory of mind
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Raja: Have noticed that there is less common data and a high chance of AI making up facts on low-incidence populations
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Raja: There is a high chance of error in tools like ChatGPT
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janina: Jutta Treviranus is a good resource on this
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janina: She did a good presentation on AXE-CON about this
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jasonjgw: When AI starts making attributions about intentions for individuals, a lot can go wrong
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jasonjgw: On the other hand, AI is doing a better job on image descriptions
13:43:28 [SteveNoble]
Raja: AI as a captioning assistant, where a human corrects any inaccuracies as it is produced, is also a useful direction
13:43:30 [janina]
Jutta's presentation at: https://www.deque.com/axe-con/sessions/preparing-accessibility-for-the-future-and-the-present/
13:44:28 [SteveNoble]
jasonjgw: Anything else??
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zakim, bye
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