W3C

– DRAFT –
ARIA Authoring Practices Task Force

21 March 2023

Attendees

Present
AlexFlenniken, Andrea_, arigilmore, jongund, jugglinmike, MarkMcCarthy, Matt_King
Regrets
-
Chair
Matt King
Scribe
jugglinmike

Meeting minutes

Agenda

<Matt_King> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/March-21%2C-2023-Agenda

RRSAgent: who is here?

Zakim: who is here?

Matt_King: Three topic areas today, any others?

Matt_King: Hearing nothing.

(introductions)

Status of Site Updates

Review updates to first AT support table - pull request #2569

<Github> w3c/aria-practices#2569 : Button Example: Add AT support tables from ARIA-AT

github: w3c/aria-practices#2569

AlexFlenniken: the last thing I changed was about a week ago--changing the default height

Matt_King: I shared some feedback--was that addressed?

AlexFlenniken: Yes, I've addressed that

Matt_King: Then this is ready for everybody to look at

Matt_King: It looks like Howard_Edwards (not present) and myself are assigned as reviewers. I would like to have some other members of the task force looking at this

jongund: I can take a look at it

MarkMcCarthy: You can add me, too

Matt_King: The long-term plan is that there will only be one example per page. We have a backlog item to address the patterns which have more than one example per page (e.g. button)

jongund: Do you want me to work on separating the button examples into separate pages?

Matt_King: Thank you, but not right now. I think that at the current time, doing so would create too much churn

Pull Requests

Listbox Examples: Update scrolling of listbox item with focus into view when page is magnified

github: w3c/aria-practices#2622

Matt_King: A question came up on this one this week

Matt_King: It was from Aleena

jongund: I didn't understand it, though

arigilmore: I also didn't understand it

Matt_King: It sounds as though it may be beyond the scope of this pull request

Matt_King: arigilmore's feedback may be in-scope. We have to determine if VoiceOver's behavior is incorrect. In that case, the example code is fine, and the unexpected behavior is exactly the kind of thing we're trying to find

Matt_King: We don't typically test VoiceOver with Firefox

arigilmore: It was listed in the wiki, though I was surprised to find it there

MarkMcCarthy: I think there was a reason for this; I can check with Jemma

arigilmore: Narrator - Firefox -> unable to select items from all list example pages

Matt_King: So this is when "scan mode" is off and you arrow in the list?

arigilmore: Yeah, it tells me something like "no items found." I forget the exact terminology it uses

Matt_King: That almost sounds like a Narrator bug

MarkMcCarthy: It sounds that way to me, too.

arigilmore: VO - safari/chrome iPhone -> can’t select items in example 1 in unimportant features and in example 2 can only select first item in upgrades you have chosen

arigilmore: In the first one, I could only navigate to the first item in the second column

arigilmore: With VoiceOver, I could only select the first "unimportant" feature, but I couldn't select the one below it

Matt_King: So if you had three in that list, you wouldn't be able to move the second one from "unimportant" to "important"?

arigilmore: Right

Matt_King: But you can do it if VoiceOver is not running?

arigilmore: That's right

Matt_King: So if it can be done when VoiceOver is not running, then it's obviously not a compatibility with mobile. I don't understand what that would be. I guess it's related to aria-activedescendents, somehow

arigilmore: VO/Talkback - safari/chrome iPhone, android -> not announced that you are in a group “water”:

Matt_King: That's clearly a screen reader bug

Matt_King: So I think we're "safe" with all of these, arigilmore

Matt_King: I'm the only reviewer left on this one

Combobox Date Picker Example: Change previous and next month and year behavior for dates near end of month

github: w3c/aria-practices#2618

Matt_King: AlexFlenniken left some review comments

Matt_King: Did you address those, jongund?

jongund: Yup. I adjusted the stylesheet to override the default styles

Matt_King: I'm re-requesting review from you, AlexFlenniken

Matt_King: It's also awaiting review from Siri and me

Matt_King: We should probably ping Siri

About Page: Convert to an About section overview that links to several new pages within the about APG section

github: w3c/aria-practices#2558

Matt_King: AlexFlenniken, you had feedback for me, and I addressed that just today

AlexFlenniken: the current status is that Aleena is trying to determine whether changes to the WAI template are necessary

AlexFlenniken: Apologies, I'm thinking about a different pull request. You can forget my prior comment.

AlexFlenniken: Here is a supporting pull request in wai-aria-practices w3c/wai-aria-practices#207

Matt_King: Can you edit the top comment in 2558 to add that link?

AlexFlenniken: Definitely

Matt_King: After we get that preview, I'm going to change this pull request to not be a draft and then ask people to review it

Matt_King: There's a fair amount of new content in this. We took a look at the introduction the week before last.

Matt_King: Most of the content is just an exact copy of what's currently on the "About" page. The two parts that are new are the introduction and the section titled "ARIA Basics"

Matt_King: It's waiting for review from Jemma and jongund

Matt_King: Anybody else want to be assigned?

Andrea_: I can review

MarkMcCarthy: Michael Cooper will have to grant you permissions to act as a reviewer

Matt_King: You have to be in the "ARIA contributors" team in the W3C

Zakim: end the meeting

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