W3C

– DRAFT –
PEWG

04 January 2023

Attendees

Present
mustaq, plh, smaug
Regrets
-
Chair
Patrick H. Lauke
Scribe
Patrick H. Lauke, Patrick_H_Lauke

Meeting minutes

pointerout even if the pointer doesn't move? https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues/457

mustaq: tried to make a test, but was having trouble. agree though that it's the wrong behavior

Olli: it's not a spec issue though, just a WPT issue, so I guess we can close this issue here?

mustaq: always difficult to test things that *shouldn't* happen

[discussion on how the test could be tackled]

ACTION: close this issue, but make sure there's a WPT for this scenario

Coordinates of a pointercancel event https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues/463

mustaq: we had a comment from a developer that pointercancel should mirror the coords of the last known good pointermove, but as browsers can fire events async, it may not always be the case

Olli: there might be "some" situations where the coords are valuable, other cases where we don't even have coords

mustaq: due to the async nature (example of scrolling/swiping) it's not always clear

mustaq: is 0/0 the best value to send?

Olli: we haven't done anything for things like pressure either...

Olli: just want to pass on pointerId, and possibly isPrimary

Olli: would be good to test what webkit does

Patrick: so more testing. do we need any normative language in spec?

mustaq: yes we should be explicit about what the values are

ACTION: make a test, see how webkit behaves, add language to spec based on findings

<mustaq> FYI: I already landed a WPT, which would need to be changed if we decide to move away from current Chrome behavior.

<mustaq> https://github.com/web-platform-tests/wpt/pull/37435

[brief discussion with Philippe LeHegaret about W3C and going forward]

Meta-issue: update WPT to cover Pointer Events Level 3 https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues/445

https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues?q=is%3Aclosed+label%3Aneeds-wpt+

mustaq: do you have a deadline for when we want to do this?

Patrick: we don't have any pressing deadline. i'd love to get to next TPAC with us going to REC, but need to check with plh about timelines. if not, no problem. also no idea how easy/hard the wpts will be to create

Olli: one problem will be the secure context issues

Olli: might lead to breaking issues

Olli: could do with a use counter to see when things are used in non-secure context

ACTION: start looking over WPTs, particularly the secure context issue

Heartbeat: Clarify what the target of the click event should be after capturing pointer events https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues/356

Olli: one thing we mentioned last time was to get feedback from webkit

Patrick: yes, if you know anybody on the webkit side that may be suitable to be contacted about it, feel free to do so

ACTION: ongoing investigation

Summary of action items

  1. close this issue, but make sure there's a WPT for this scenario
  2. make a test, see how webkit behaves, add language to spec based on findings
  3. start looking over WPTs, particularly the secure context issue
  4. ongoing investigation
Minutes manually created (not a transcript), formatted by scribe.perl version 197 (Tue Nov 8 15:42:48 2022 UTC).

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All speakers: mustaq, Olli, Patrick

Active on IRC: mustaq, Patrick_H_Lauke