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Carlos: #1865 from Giacomo - when did it go to call for review?
Giacomo: It was updated from the last meeting, where Wilco requested a change...
Wilco: I will check it out
Carlos: Thanks as this will sort this one out then
Wilco: Want me to merge it?
Carlos: Go for it!
... #1917 from Kathy has to be updated
... #1945 in call for review in 3 days
... #1958 is to be merged today
Wilco: I am waiting for the W3C site to update before doing this to stop merge issues
Carlos: The update to Aria 1.2 is to be done too please
Carlos: I have had no time in the last month I'm afraid, just reviews here and there. I will get to them soon
Wilco: Not too much progress,
ARIA 1.2 will be merged, and I am talking to the chairs of the
ARIA WG to review these to help make sure they are all
good
... I am working on a new tool to help with the merging of
items. So I have been streamlining the process and getting new
implementers on board.
Todd: I haven't had a chance to do any work on this yet
Giacomo: I have not had a chance
to review mine yet, but I have been looking at the AT support
for it as varies per browser
... #1861 - should be closed by the PR #1954
Carlos: Feel free to take more on if you have room
Harris: I have nothing assigned except the ARIA stuff...
Wilco: Yeah they will be closed when the PR for the tool above is run
Carlos: Please take on more if you can
Helen: Sorry - no progress on mine
<ToddL> Looks like this PR closes #932 https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/pull/1945
Wilco: The ARIA WG are reviewing the 1.2 work
AG are reviewing 6 and soon to be 8 rules to get us to a total of 30 published
scribe: We have a way forward for the rules format for 1.1 and we will see that soon
Carlos: Question for the TF members, it was Jean-Yves who asked, we noticed the not important rules of spacing words, lines etc, are no longer there?
Wilco: They were done a while ago
Carlos: Should the issues be resolved first though?
Wilco: We did assess if the open
issues needed to be closed before sending them to AG
... They tend to just have editorial comments - not focus on
the issues raised at all
Carlos: Ok - we were not aware
that issues were reviewed to progress
... Only if it is a blocker
Helen: My thoughts are getting the format of the rules on paper - as we are trying to work out manual test methods and what the expected behaviour should be
Carlos: But you need to have code snippets in the rules
Helen: ARGHHHH - ok we will write out the expected examples behaviour in the text file to be coded by a dev/technical person
Carlos: Sounds good
Carlos: Wilco - can you summarise this?
Wilco: I must unmute before
speaking...
... The headers rule does not include non-table attributes so
we need an exception - someone must do it
Giacomo: Yes, Chrome is also doing that, or CSS properties are ignoring these into plain text. You have to force the table or list to have the role display:flex applied.
Harris: This has happened before - so not surprised
Wilco: How do you find things like this?
Giacomo: It is Chrome and Safari - look at the accessibility tree something weird happens as they redraw the table with the flex property into the wrong row/column structure
Carlos: So this is no longer needing the role table but flex? Good to know but we will update the issue with this for the applicability of the rule
Wilco: This is non-spec behaviour
- should it be filed as a bug with HTMl or ARIA?
... Is the reverse of this true?
Giacomo: <shares screen and shows the issue>
Carlos: I have updated the issue
with "Help Wanted" label. It should be simple
... Created by Jean-Yves and created 2 links with the same
programmatic name but different locations but will not fail
2.4.4 as the sentences with them provided the context
... So in our discussion we thought it could be deprecated as
would not be applicable that often these days
... As rare to not have duplicate context, name and different
location
... However, 1/3 of the pages tested are failing this.
Giacomo: I do not think this should be deprecated as you do get multiple examples that fail, like download links with images that are not labelled.
Helen: That technically fails 1.1.1 but yes it is a failure
Carlos: We need to improve the
definition of context then!
... Final thoughts - Todd?
<ToddL> https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/pull/1945
Todd: 932 has been closed by
Daniel and opened the PR 1945
... I am going to step back for a while - I will let you know
Carlos
Wilco: Not much from me except I am excited at moving ARIA forward
Giacomo: Nothing from me!
Harris: No thoughts from me!
Helen: Thanks for an interesting meeting
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