<shawn> scribe: Jade

video scripts, compilations

Shawn: the perspectives compilation video is really well used, we need to consider this when planning these new videos
... is there a case for compilation videos of all of the sets of videos

Shadi: we need to be mindful of the length of the videos, as these are longer, so might not work well as a compilation, e.g. around 27 mins, is this too long?
... considerations around the length, whether/how people will use them, then whether we'd need them for all 3 sets of videos.

Kris Anne: plays the compilation during training as participants are entering the room

<krisanne> Jade: a video nearly a half an hour is very substantial, if you were going to do that it would be more documentary style.

<krisanne> ... how would we make it differently if we just had a chunk of time to talk about a subject. We would likely make it in another way.

<krisanne> Shawn: it would be good to have a nice beginning and then stitch the videos together, and then an ending.

<krisanne> ... we don't have have on the table to do them differently.

<krisanne> ... if its simple to do a stitch together with a custom beginning.

<krisanne> Jade: I think I would be against one long video stitched together.

<krisanne> Shadi: what is your threshold?

<krisanne> Jade: 10 minutes

<Laura> +1 to Jade's comments

Laura: agrees, it's perhaps too long
... it's easy to lose the audience

Shadi: it's probably not much effort to stitch the videos together. The personas videos make sense, but the others might need more thought.

Shawn: there may be less use cases for the compilations here, but since they're easy to stitch together then we might as well. We need to be careful about how users stumble upon the videos on youtube and mindful of the length.

the ending/sign off

Shawn: thanks for the brainstorm last week and Shadi for pulling together some examples

<shawn> https://wai-people-use-web-videos.netlify.app/people-use-web/videos/abilities/auditory/

<shawn> [Individual protagonists:] This is how you can make technology work for me. [Narrator:] Accessibility: It’s about people.

<shawn> For more information on how people with disabilities use the web, visit w3.org/WAI

<shawn> visuals: [New scene.] We see the five protagonists from the previous scenes. They are looking into the camera as they speak their lines to the viewers [either individually or all at the same time, to be decided]. We see more and more protagonists from the other videos appear on the screen [to illustrate many people] as the narrtor speaks their line.

Shawn: thoughts?

Shadi: there are different options for how an individual protagonist/all of them say it at the same time, the production company can advise

Vicki: suggest 'this is how you can make technology work for us'

<shawn> --> "This is how it works for me."

Shadi: the effect of the 'me' repeating
... with multiple protagonists, then the narrator comes in at the end.
... also the idea of bringing in other people from other videos
... for the story videos, it'd just be the one person (the individual from that video)
... the suggestion of multiple protagonists repeating the line is for the tools/techniques and diverse abilities videos

<shawn> example https://wai-people-use-web-videos.netlify.app/people-use-web/videos/abilities/auditory/

Shawn: for the compilation, we could have the first person say 'this is how technology works for me' and the others say 'this is how it works for me'

Kris Anne: there's definitely an impact when it's repeated by multiple people, but we could change it from 'me' to 'us'

Shawn: there's a consideration there about over generalising, individual differences when we group people together

<dmontalvo> -1 to "us" as it hides individual differences

Daniel: there are so many differences, the 'us' definitely takes away from that

Shawn: what about the sign off, accessibility: it's about people

<Vicki> +1

Daniel: likes it

Jade: yep, it's fine

<evelleman_> +1

Shawn: the proposal is to have the same sign off for all 3 sets of videos

<evelleman_> I like the auditory one!, specially that you do not discover someone has a disability till a moment later. Also the video addressing that it is more complex than just subtitles. Also like the sign off

<dmontalvo> +1

Laura: I like the sign off for this particular video, and it could work for the other sets

<Zakim> shawn, you wanted to mention translations

Daniel: emphaises the point of accessibility not just being about standards and checklists, likes the shape that it's taking

<shawn> example tools & techniques: https://wai-people-use-web-videos.netlify.app/people-use-web/videos/tools/perception/

<BrianE> I agree with the point that Jade made earlier about the repetitive nature of 5 (or however many) people all saying the same line, but if it's done well I think it is good to illustrate how each individual has their own needs, etc.

Jade: would like to see how it works with tools and techniques, which is a bit removed from the 'people'

Shawn: Mostly loves it, but we might need a longer version in the text (like in the perspectives videos)

<shawn> "This is how you can make technology work for me."

Shawn: is this wording OK?

<Vicki> +1

Shawn: the same for the tag line, Accessibility: it's about people

<Vicki> +1

<shawn> "You can help make technology inclusive to me."

<shawn> "You can help make technology work to me."

<shawn> "This is how you can make technology work for me."

<shadi> Michele: "this is how technology works for me"

Michelle: not sure if we should include the 'you', it might not always apply because of who's watching the video

Michele: might be better to make it more abstract

<evelleman_> I am fine with the current line..

Shawn: 'you can help' might make this a bit more inclusive (because everyone can help/advocate)

Shadi: Websites and apps that are designed well work better for me

<shawn> "You can help make technology work better for me."

Michele: we still can't presume that the audience can all go and do something.

Shadi: but even though people might not be able to 'do' something, they can still advocate/have a position on thier views about accessibility/homeless kittens

Eric: agrees with Shadi

<Zakim> shawn, you wanted to ask if "This is how you can..." too specific ?

Shawn: you can (shorter)/ "This is how you can..." too specific, since it doesn't cover all issues, it's just examples ? Also, You can... is shorter/you can (shorter)

Shadi: you can is more direct

Daniel: 'this is' suggests we're giving a guide, which is maybe too much here

<krisanne_> Jade: "this is how you can" is too specific

Jade: 'this is how you can' might not fit all the content, as some of it's just explaining what the situation is, and not always how you can do something.

<shawn> computer allow me to

<shawn> https://www.w3.org/WAI/fundamentals/accessibility-intro/ The Web is fundamentally designed to work for all people, whatever their hardware, software, language, location, or ability. When the Web meets this goal, it is accessible to people with a diverse range of hearing, movement, sight, and cognitive ability.

<shawn> Thus the impact of disability is radically changed on the Web because the Web removes barriers to communication and interaction that many people face in the physical world. However, when websites, applications, technologies, or tools are badly designed, they can create barriers that exclude people from using the Web.

Shawn: the enabling power of accessible technology
... when you make technology accessible, look at all the cool things it enables me to do

<shawn> You can help make technology enabling for me.

<dmontalvo> Here is all I can do when technology is accessible

Jade: I can do everything when technology is accessible

<shawn> You can make technology enabling or disabling.

Shawn: we've discussed the need to try and keep this positive

Laura: likes here is all/everything I can do, I like this, but we need to be careful because it depends on the context

<shadi> brainstorm: [this is how] you can make technology/computers can be an enabler for me

<shadi> brainstorm: [this is how] technology/computers can be an enabler for me

<shadi> brainstorm: [this is how] you can make technology/computers an enabler for me

<dmontalvo> This is how you can make technology enabling to/for me

Shadi: isn't hearing a clear move away from what we have already.

Shawn: the question is This is how you can vs you can.

<shawn> This is how you can make technology work for me.

Shawn: these are examples of how you can make technology work for me

<shawn> You can make technology work for me.

<evelleman_> +1

Michele: We need some kind of combination of consider these things, emphasising that they're examples, in order to enable me. (then have the narrator come in with Accessibility: it's about people)

Shadi: what's the issue with 'This is how'?

Shawn: it might not fit because the video doesn't exactly tell you how

Michele: it also doesnt' help emphasise that they're just examples

Jade: brainstorm. Technology can work for me. (emphasising the 'can')

<shadi> Michele: "these are examples of how technology can work for me"

<shawn> These are ways you can make technology work for me.

<shadi> Kris Ann: "these are examples of why technology can work for me"

Kris Anne: this is why technology can work for me

Shawn: these are ways you can make technology work for me

<dmontalvo> These examples show how technology can work for me

<shawn> Technology can be enabling and work for me.

<shadi> Brainstorm: these are ways technology can work for me

<shawn> Michele: that is losing the call to action

Michele: these are ways you can make technology work for me

Shadi: These are ways you can make technology work for me

<shawn> These are some ways you can make technology work for me

<Vicki> :)

Shawn: these are ways to make technology work for me

<shawn> Here are some ways you can make technology work for me

<shawn> +1 for "you"

-1 for you!

<Vicki> +1 you

<evelleman_> +1 for you

<krisanne_> +1 for you

<dmontalvo> +1 to Shadi's proposal with "to"

<evelleman_> and for the kittens 2

Michelle: makes a good point about how the 'you' could be taken to mean 'you' as in non-disabled people grouped together

<shawn> Michele 0

<shawn> Here are some ways [to|you] can make technology work for me

Laura: votes for 'to'

<Laura> 0 I'm ok with either to or you

<shawn> These are ways technology can work for me

<shawn> These are ways technology works for me

<shawn> These are some ways technology works for me

<Vicki> This is how technology works for me

<shawn> These are ways that technology works for me

<Vicki> +

<Vicki> +1

work for this week

video scripts survey open until Oct 21st

If you know anyone else in the community who can/wants to review the scripts, please forward them

Kris Anne: forwarded to the childrens community group

Shawn: considerations about including a persona of a child, are we OK focusing on only accessibility, is security not important for this video on accessibility?, and are there any other considerations we need to make with a persona of a child?

Kris Anne: we may add some info to work for this week, e.g. evaluation tools, we'll email you.

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