<scribe> scribe: dmontalvo
Wilco: Object element -- I have a couple more changes, I need some reviews on that
Helen: Iframes, it just need reviews, Jean-Yves took on the technical details
Kathy: She sent an email suggesting it may be reassigned
Daniel: Ready for review, but checks failing
Wilco: Work with Will tomorrow.
Wilco: First is Daniel's. I don't
think you can link in the description
... Needs reviewers
... Tom?
Tom: Yes.
Wilco: Content visibility #1903 I
have changes requested on this. I think this is wrong
... Visibility hidden does not remove an element from the
accessibility tree
Tom: So many issues with this
one
... Inner text property blanks out but the node is still
there
Wilco: My SVG one is on call for
review
... One from Chris
Helen: Maybe we need to walk him through the process
Wilco: I'll reach out to
him
... #1855 Feedback on iframes
... Has there been substantial changes?
Helen: I think the approvals are coming after the changes were done
Wilco: Let's use changes
requested even if it is a small thing
... #1852 is ready for review again
Daniel: I'll try to get to this one
Wilco: Not sure there has been an update. Kathy is still working on link name. I've been working on the ARIA thing, but not on the other ones yet. Things are still moving
Wilco: We've surveyed this a
couple of weeks ago
... Essential needs to be part of the exceptions. That's where
we were at
... A changing content was never essential, and I was not sure
about that
... I think one way to go is to add this to the
expectations
... We need to decide if "essential" is sufficiently
unambiguous as to be used in the expectations
Helen: What is essential to one person is not essential to other
Kathy: Sometimes use the stock
market ticker, because it's constantly changing and if you stop
it it gets out of date
... I guess they could offer a pause mechanism
Wilco: I am not seeing the problem on pausing a stock market thing. Does it change the information or functionality?
Helen: It just changes how new
the data is
... Anything essential tends to be related to money
Daniel: That's legal transaction, money, or personal data
Tom: Cont down clocks are also another scenario
Helen: Also quizzes where they have to have real time for them to finish
Wilco: Either live this as an assumption, redefine it so that it is not ambiguous, or deprecate this
Tom: Can we have a note that when the rule passes the SC is not necessarily satisfied?
Daniel: How difficult would it be?
Wilco: Very difficult, it's not a technical aspects, it's a conceptual thing
Kathy: The third option would mean we'd list this SC as a secondary requirement
Wilco: Is this rule still useful?
Kathy: Do other rules use essential?
Wilco: I don't think so
... I think for orientation we did put it in the
assumptions
Kathy: There is also on images of text
Wilco: Putting this in the assumptions seems consistent with what we've done in the past
Kathy: From our discussion of examples maybe assuming it is not essential is the most likely scenario
Wilco: That's what we've tried to mimic real examples where we don't have real examples
Helen: I think having an assumption and maybe we qualify that assumption slightly providing examples
Wilco: What if our definition of
essential lists out know cases to clarify the intent
... Something is essential if it's part of a timer, involves
data transmission, money transaction, etc
... and others
+1 to Helen's idea and Wilco's take-up of that idea
Wilco: Inapplicable example 3. We
said it's applicable to the SC but not to the rule, so it makes
sense for us to put it as an applicable example
... There is a way to pause that
Tom: Q7 -- I had a couple of different scenarios where it was not consistent
Wilco: GIST -- the applicability
needs work
... Comment that content cannot be presented in parallel
... In both bullets there is that sentence "is presented in
parallel" I don't think this accounts for that. Content should
not be distracting you from reading. That seems to me like the
safest option, full page text animations I can't think of
any
Kathy: I thought that's what the "not alone" part on the applicability was trying to cover
Wilco: I think you are
right
... If you have some updating text on the page and then you have
a title, then the root element is going to have some inner text
that is different from the part of the text that is
updating
Tom: Some of my comment was about the fact that there are too many assumptions there
Wilco: Needs more work before publishing, I can take this on
Tom: The ! before important, he was not sure if it was intended
Wilco: It is, it's how it looks
like in CSS
... Does he mean the CSS specification? That seems like
something we cannot affect
... I will going to dig this up
... Kathy points out that there are some open issues
... 668 and 6687
... Chris says these need to be resolved, I don't think so. I
will double check
... I am inclined to say this is fine but I will reach out to
Chris
RESOLUTION: Accept rule as-is pending confirmation with Chris