<Jean-Yves> clear agenda
<Jean-Yves> scribe: Wilco_
JYM: one 1-week call, PR 1864
JYM: Not much progress, some PRs have moved on.
Wilco: Worked on ARIA-1.2, along
with Harris and Akhil
... Will also look at Aron's old ARIA 1.2 PR
Akhil: Created the two PRs with Wilco, these are my first submissions.
Giacomo: Worked a bit on the
input image, empty title. I asked the API mapping team to
clarify the goal of the mapping.
... They linked to another issue, but it's not answering my
question.
JYM: I feel HTML-AAM needs to be updated to make it explicit.
Giocomo: I think we need clarification on next steps.
<Jean-Yves> Wilco: 3 new rules approved by AG: SVG element name, presentational children, header attribute refer to cell in same table.
<Jean-Yves> Wilco: We can completely move to the W3C site. All implementation data is there. Version history of the rules is present (+diff).
<Jean-Yves> Wilco: figuring how to reflect different states in the rule format (e.g. "during an animation, text doesn't need good contrast")
JYM: Not much progress on this.
We want to organise a F2F meeting, October or November, but
we're not sure about the date yet.
... We plan to send out a survey early July. We'll about
people's availability.
... This will likely be in Europe, we'll have to see where.
Wilco: Update from Daniel, he said the W3C survey system could be used
JYM: The IDREF existing only applies when the attribute is required
Wilco: This is true for collapsed comboboxes and the aria-controls attribute.
Giacombo: Is there any difference between pointing to a hidden element, vs pointing to a non-existing element?
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<Jean-Yves> https://w3c.github.io/aria-practices/#wai-aria-roles-states-and-properties-6
Wilco: This clearly says
aria-controls is not required when the popup is not
visible
... We could explicitly scope this out in the required props
rule, do not require aria-controls when aria-expanded is
false
JYM: So we'll need to add to the rule on valid values, and required properties
JYM: I don't know how common this is, but I have not seen problems reported based on it.
Gaicomo: That's interesting also for label in name
JYM: If they are different it
should trigger label in name
... If something doesn't load, the alt is visible.
Wilco: If it doesn't lead to objections, I'd prefer to make the change
JYM: I don't think it's necessary, it's more work, but I won't block the change.
Gaicomo: Maybe we can add some assumption? If the image is decorative it's a problem.
Wilco: I think it's likely not decorative.
JYM: This rule checks that if we
have a table, every header cell has some data cell assigned to
it.
... My main problem with this rule is it's trying to mix HTML
table.
... On ARIA we don't have the same algorithm. Its my opinion
we're making the rule too complicated by mixing the two types
of tables.
... I think we should scope it only to HTML tables.
Wilco: I have no problem with that.
JYM: I think this is already addressed. This PR was merged last week
Wilco: Not too much to automate on WCAG 2.2. Target spacing and focus appearance.
JYM: It makes sense to have automated rules for tool vendors. But would it make sense for some more manual rules?
Wilco: I would suggest if we write new manual rules we focus on gaps in WCAG 2.0, rather than 2.2
Wilco: is there a way we can tell where spaces are important?
JYM: One way could be that
between numbers spaces might not be important, but between text
it is.
... At the same time, I don't know about numbers written as
letters "1, 2, 3" vs "one, two, three"
... maybe we can say we don't care about spaces if everything
is only numbers?
Wilco: What about punctuations, and maybe ignore spaces between numbers?
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