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ACT Rules Community Group Teleconference

12 May 2022

Attendees

Present
Jean-Yves, Daniel, Wilco, CarlosD, ToddL
Regrets
Chair
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Scribe
CarlosD

Contents


<scribe> scribe: CarlosD

Call for review https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/461

Jean-Yves: some very old call for reviews
... the couple of 2-week calls can be merged by Carlos
... and several 1-week call for reviews that can be merged also

Assigned issues + help wanted https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues?page=1&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen

Jean-Yves: no progress to report

CarlosD: no progress in these issues, been working on the benchmarking tasks

dmontalvo: some progress, need discussion on PR#1802

<Jean-Yves> https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3A%22help+wanted%22

<Jean-Yves> https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/932

Update from the ACT Task Force https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/pull/522/files

dmontalvo: ACT implementation metrics are to be published in a short time

<dmontalvo> https://deploy-preview-95--wai-wcag-act-rules.netlify.app/standards-guidelines/act/implementations/

dmontalvo: There are still some wording discussion to ensure that W3C is not perceived as endorsing one tool over another

Jean-Yves: there is a situation where a video playing without audio, with a transcript offscreen, that is being flagged by rules that require that transcript to be visible
... we are wondering if we should require that from a video that has no audio, because sighted users can see the in the video the same content of the transcript

CarlosD: the success criteria requires the alternative to be "provided"... we need to decide what "provided" means

Jean-Yves: We have the same situation for SC 1.2.3

CarlosD: The intent of the SC is make information available to all users. The video-only content would be available to sighted users, and the transcript for non-sighted users.

Jean-Yves: Some low vision users might prefer the transcript, because they might not be able to perceive the text in the video
... G159 states that the transcript needs to be programmatically determined. It doesn't state anything about the visibility.

<dmontalvo> I am OK with this

Jean-Yves: We should change the expectation and add an assumption

Should negative tabindex fail in aria-hidden? https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/1807

Jean-Yves: The issue is raised because screen readers won't voice these elements
... but Mark found some instances where combinations of screen reader and browser would voice it
... there is already #1820 that is changing from focusable to tabbable

Support for inert coming to Chromium soon https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/1842

Jean-Yves: The inert attribute is getting support in the recent browser versions
... this attribute takes the element from focus order and the accessibility tree
... this will impact many rules and we should add examples to the rules
... there is also the situation caused by the dialog element, that when open should make other elements inert (without the inert attribute)

dmontalvo: what is the level of support for inert from browsers and screen readers?
... I envision several misuses of this
... should we have a rule that checks if inert elements do not have focusable content?

Jean-Yves: the browser will make inert elements non focusable

CarlosD: We should add inert examples and also examples with dialog

Jean-Yves: We don't need dialog examples in every rule, but we should have coverage for inert at a similar level we have for aria-hidden

final thoughts

Jean-Yves: There will be no meeting in a couple of weeks due to an holiday in many European countries

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

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