Meeting minutes
Updates on current work
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Daniel: Working on Module 1 adding topics also work on Module 2. Missing some content on other modules also...
… also working on Module that is now called "Forms"
Changes in scope for Module 3: Text Alternatives https://content-author-topics--wai-curricula.netlify.app/curricula/content-author-modules/text-alternatives/#learning-outcomes-for-module -- taken up
Daniel: Discussion on first and second item. We previously had tables and images differently described and was not clear...
… we received comments on data tables that was not self explanatory and not complete. Charts, diagrams and infographics are different types of data visualisation...
… focus of the module is now on functional and informative images.
Data visualisation= complex images will be on module 4
<dmontalvo> s/complx/complex/
<Brent> done
done
Jade: This is the most recent version, I get a bit confused.
Daniel: Previously module 3 was images and now is text alternative.
<Jade> done
Brent: Should we say "images that convey..." and "images conveying..."?
Daniel: I am happy to hear the opinion of native speakers.
Brent: I might say "images that convey..." but happy to hear other opinions.
Jade: Do we need to say "images that convey..."? Or can we say "functional images"?
<Jade> +1 to sarah
Sarah: It might be good to provide a definition of the different types of images.
Brent: "functional images" and "informative images" are under the topics we should provide a definition.
Daniel: In previous modules we adapt the types of images according to developers and designers role.
Brent: Content authors should distinguish between the different types of images to know the type of alternative text to add...
… context is key.
Daniel: What about having a module on complex images?
Brent: My second question is about alt-text for content authors, in our training. Do we need a learning objective in order to ensure that authors provide a sufficient alt-text?
Daniel: Probably succinct might not be enough, probably there is something missing there. I am not sure if quality is the right word.
Brent: Should we also address good and bad alt-text as a learning objective?
As author content should you know how to write a sufficient alt-text?
Daniel: To me is not clear in how far we should cover this point.
… the quality effort should be ensured. I have to double check it...
… I plan to use good versus bad. I have examples of magnifying glasses and plan to play.
Jade: I think talk about quality should be part of the learning objectives. Also do we need to call out crappy AI alt-text?
… I think complex images should be in the alt-text module.
+1 to Jade
<Brent> +1 to complex images
<slewth> +1 to complex images
Daniel: It is true that some part of data visualisation also belongs to module 3. Not sure from W3C perspective about AI but surely some mention to review should be mentioned.
Jade: AI should also be part of alt-text.
Sarah: Agree with Jade, teaching idea on complex idea is worth also in terms of AI.
Daniel: This is something that I was planning to add, some sort of text-alt related to AI.
<slewth> eoncins: I don't see the relationship between module 3 alt-text and module 4 data visualisation
Daniel: Behind the data visualisation thing are the different types of images, but probably this is not very clear. We need to nail this down...
… module 3 may need to include complex images and also quality of the alt-text should be included as learning activity.
Daniel: I might not include testing with screen readers but examples.
… we could include ideas for teachers such as ways assess quality with assistive technologies.
Changes in scope for Module 4: Data Visualizations https://content-author-topics--wai-curricula.netlify.app/curricula/content-author-modules/data-visualizations/#learning-outcomes-for-module
Daniel: Data visualisation is about different ways that users visualise data with different types of infographics, tables, maps...
… and different ways to provide alternatives.
This might be mixing different things and a clear name might be used for this module. Any other thoughts?
<Jade> done
<Brent> done
<slewth> done
Sarah: I appreciate the overarching, but then data visualization is then not clear.
Daniel: I agree that tables should be at a high level and then we have to clear the concept of data visualization.
… if there is a relation between data visualization and tables we have to clearly define it.
<slewth> In my discipline we don't associate 'Data visualization' with tables - tables usually are the origin for the data that visualisations then re-present in a more graphic way.
Should content authors define media player requirements? https://github.com/w3c/wai-curricula/issues/493
Daniel: Last week we discussed about the limits between content authors and designers...
… it might be good to cross reference about media player between content authors, designers and developers.
Brent: Does the developer know that the media player should be accessible in order for designers/content creators to be able to provide captions or audio description?
Daniel: Is not that clear in the developers curricula.
… Content authors should inform developers about accessibility services to be included.
<dmontalvo> s/succint/succinct/