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– DRAFT –
SDW WG plenary telcon

03 March 2022

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Meeting minutes

RobSmith: Autonomous vehicle usage demo video

[10 min] Future work of WebVMT and update on GeoPose (Rob Smith)

RobSmith: 2 csv files: 1 contains pos & orientation of vehicle; other contains lidar detections

RobSmith: Issue: how to turn detections into coords to plot on map

RobSmith: orange line is vehicle trajectory; dots represent signposts and pullouts

RobSmith: Puzzle to track cyclist, turn trajectory into moving feature object

RobSmith: Eliminate static; classify anything we see in radius as static

RobSmith: if in 2 consec frames, not moving

RobSmith: predictor algorithm yields no identity linking things together

RobSmith: as video moves, detections / static are eliminated

RobSmith: Blue trajectory is detected moving feature (cyclist)

RobSmith: Success; tracking algorithm isn't perfect, has gaps but pretty good

RobSmith: Tracked for 300m over a minute. Can calculate avg speed, etc

RobSmith: A car was also detected. Even short detections are useful

RobSmith: All tracks done with WebVMT.

RobSmith: Idea to release as community tool. Requires funding.

RobSmith: Multiple cameras, in order to associate observations. Either concurrently or

RobSmith: also distributed in time and space. e.g. dist along a rod, can get additional info can get info from gaps between cameras

RobSmith: Anonymization of reg plates on vehicles necessary.

RobSmith: Use case: traffic cameras that become stuck, showing same thing all the time, an AI could determin something wrong

RobSmith: Final suggestion: collision mitigation. Proximity detection for e.g. parking, or pre-emptive collision mitigation.

RobSmith: If combine camera deployments, traffic camera and vehicle cameras, could improve pre-emptive system

RobSmith: Testbed 18; if any interest in funding distribution as community tool, please get in touch

ClaraB: does the cyclist know he's being tracked? or is it an OS person?

RobSmith: All of this does have privacy implications

RobSmith: Other standard: geopose. Position and orientation in a common format.

RobSmith: Explainer videos on OGC youtube channel

RobSmith: GeoPose handles streams, particularly interesting for videos.

RobSmith: Vote at OGC for GeoPose expires early April

<brinkwoman> This group is working on automotive and transportaton related stuff: https://www.w3.org/auto/

RobSmith: Also working on Geoalignment idea. C Perey has mobilised geopose team to get involved.

brinkwoman: Is GeoPose a web standard?

<RobSmith> Explainer videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qO4EU2nZlI&list=PLQsQNjNIDU86mufMCuDW0rtG2s9tHuoQ5

Best Practices update from Timo

Timo: BP github repository: https://github.com/w3c/sdw/

<RobSmith> Testbed-17 Moving Features - Autonomous Vehicle Analysis: https://docs.ogc.org/per/21-036.html#toc51

Timo: improvements to coverages (clarifications)

Timo: addition of section on GeoPose and POI SWG activities

Timo: DCAT2 changes updates

Timo: 2 pull requests. One about FAIR principles. Now there's a mapping of which BP relates to which FAIR principle.

Timo: Discussion of whether FAIR should extend to include "Q" for example (quality).

Timo: If you define quality as fitness for purpose: if you have a use case in mind you need to have an idea of if the data is useful for that

Timo: Q is now included and relates to one BP in particular

Timo: FAIR-V verfication: does this have anything to do with FAIR? Conclusion is maybe not.

Timo: the PR needs some reviews, welcome from others.

PeterParslow: that's a good summary of the PR

Timo: PR about gaps in the current BP document

brinkwoman: inaudible

brinkwoman: OGC API Features, geosparql. Would be good to get a review from at least one other person. I will look at next week.

Timo: Issues discovered, some examples no longer accessible. Solution may be to self-host. Others possibly outdated, need revision.

Timo: This is a call for anyone interested to get involved.

Timo: section about coverages has been updated. Might be interesting to have examples of different coverage types.

Timo: outside our community, "coverage" is not well understood. Needs illustrations, especially in this section of document.

Timo: Search engine indexing. RDF-a, other approaches. Interesting to figure out what is a best practice, include in doc.

Timo: Dynamic CRS would be a welcome contribution to BP doc

Timo: TODO and future work.

Timo: Emerging technology, e.g. MapML. PeterR is assigned to that.

Timo: other tech might be interesting. If you are an expert in: POI, GeoPose, other, please PR

Timo: RobSmith will write a section on ethics of location sharing

Timo: GeoFences (volunteers needed).

Timo: OGC API Tiles section volunteers needed

Timo: TB 17 implementation reports should be scanned, volunteers needed

Timo: Timeline: release summer 2022

Timo: we have tackled 25% of anticipated changes.

Timo: can provide updates in SDW meetings.

Timo: Biweekly conference calls, next meeting 10 March 3pm CET

Timo: If you have something you want to discuss, please add to agenda via PR in GitHub

Timo: contact Timo or Clara via email or on GitHub

brinkwoman: thank you for update and thanks for this work

brinkwoman: if you would like to volunteer or discuss, please step forward!

[10 min] Solid - what does it mean for us? (discussion)

brinkwoman: https://drive.verborgh.org/publications/buyle_egose_2019.pdf

brinkwoman: I followed up with the people who made the presentation, but haven't heard back.

brinkwoman: The project was very interesting. People can host their own data pod, for free.

brinkwoman: I was wondering if this group should do something in relation to (data pods).

brinkwoman: Jeremy and I discussed, thought it might be early days for this technology.

Timo: Here at university, we have a student who has experimented with spatial data and solid.

Timo: coming from linked data background, solid pods aren't implementing sparql. Not sure if that belongs in BP, maybe in emerging practices.

brinkwoman: If you could in a future meeting, review what the student has done, that would be of interest!

Timo: ok, I can summarize in a future meeting.

brinkwoman: People from Flanders, were using linked data event streams. Sound more lightweight method to interact with linked data.

Timo: Concern, if you don't have a sparql service, need to download and execute js sparql locally. Sparql 1.1 compatibility missing.

Timo: idea of Solid is to not overload server. Can understand removing sparql from solid server. may want to limit amount of data you download, so

Timo: how do you handle, no solution for now.

Timo: geodata you want in query, you process on client side, not sure if that is suitable at scale.

TPAC Sep 2022? Any plans

brinkwoman: TPAC meeting. Hybrid meeting September 12-16 in Vancouver. Remote or in-person attendance possible.

brinkwoman: We should determine as a group if we'll have a meeting there. Jeremy and I hope that all our work will be mostly done by then.

brinkwoman: <informal poll of potential in person attendees at TPAC>

brinkwoman: Results: good potential for hybrid meeting

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