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14:16:39 <trackbot> Meeting: Personalization Task Force Teleconference
14:16:39 <trackbot> Date: 28 February 2022
14:16:44 <sharon> agenda?
14:17:12 <sharon> zakim, clear agenda
14:17:12 <Zakim> agenda cleared
14:17:25 <sharon> chair: sharon
14:17:56 <sharon> agenda+ Content Module Implementations Status (Follow-up on i18n issue #144)
14:18:47 <sharon> agenda+ “Branding” personalization work (also see https://github.com/w3c/wai-personalization-standards/issues/7)
14:19:12 <sharon> agenda+ TPAC 2022
14:19:28 <sharon> agenda+ Planning COGA meetings on our other 2 modules
14:19:37 <sharon> agenda?
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15:01:33 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda?
15:01:40 <Matthew_Atkinson> present+
15:01:41 <CharlesL> present+
15:01:48 <Roy> present+
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15:03:57 <Matthew_Atkinson> scribe: Matthew_Atkinson
15:04:30 <Matthew_Atkinson> zakim, next item
15:04:30 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Content Module Implementations Status (Follow-up on i18n issue #144) -- taken up [from sharon]
15:06:58 <Matthew_Atkinson> Matthew_Atkinson: Situation is as was and as documented on list. We could more actively seek input from others, or go with what we have? I think a rough check may be nice, but leave to the chairs.
15:07:27 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: We're trying to clear #144; see no reason to delay on that. If there are implementation problems we can deal with them in the CR period.
15:08:25 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: Other issues that _could_ be problems, perhaps none of us have expertise. If we want to get people to look at "it" what exactly is "it"? Are we going to give the i18n chairs the extension, or send them a series of screengrabs?
15:10:46 <Matthew_Atkinson> Matthew_Atkinson: We could provide the i18n chairs (only) the extension and instructions I made for setting it up, or we could start with some images on the thread for #144 publicly.
15:10:58 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: Suggest starting with putting the images on the thread.
15:11:17 <Matthew_Atkinson> sharon: Sounds like we just need an answer to that question, of right-to-left.
15:15:57 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: Suggest we give them the image in the thread, and offer the extension if they want it [at which point we mention it can only be shared with the chairs].
15:16:12 <Matthew_Atkinson> sharon: +1
15:16:15 <Matthew_Atkinson> Matthew_Atkinson: ACK; will do.
15:16:32 <Matthew_Atkinson> q?
15:16:40 <Matthew_Atkinson> zakim, next item
15:16:40 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- “Branding” personalization work (also see https://github.com/w3c/wai-personalization-standards/issues/7) -- taken up [from sharon]
15:18:16 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: The idea for including EO stemmed from a WAI coordination call, when naming of the work was discussed and as EO has successful history (e.g. ARIA) in coming up with good naming, they were involved.
15:19:15 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: I met with them on a call, and then Matthew_Atkinson and I met with them on their following Friday call, and had good discussion. We want to resolve this before CR. They're eager to help us and have made several suggestions.
15:20:09 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: EO liked "Personalizable" because it's done by the UA on the fly, not hardcoded by the mark-up. The letters PA followed by D or L came up (as documented above).
15:20:37 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: There was a big focus on content also, though that doesn't seem to be as useful.
15:21:20 <Matthew_Atkinson> sharon: So we have to have a couple more meetings to get this nailed down; expecting some EO attendance in our next meeting.
15:21:46 <CharlesL> q+
15:21:59 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: Does anyone else agree that having "content" left of the colon isn't appropriate?
15:22:09 <Matthew_Atkinson> ack CharlesL
15:22:50 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: Last we talked about it, we had "Personalized Adaptations: <module name> Module" and we're looking for what to have to the left of the colon. Including "content" there does not seem helpful.
15:23:07 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: e.g. How would it work for tools?
15:23:19 <Matthew_Atkinson> sharon: +1
15:23:35 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: "content" is too generic as it's everything we do on the web.
15:23:49 <Matthew_Atkinson> +1 (I mentioned that on the EO call I think too)
15:24:13 <Matthew_Atkinson> sharon: "Personalizable" is good because it's adaptable, but you need to initiate it.
15:24:15 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: +1
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15:24:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/02/28-personalization-minutes.html Matthew_Atkinson
15:24:39 <Matthew_Atkinson> sharon: We should track this and add any names if we prefer them.
15:24:48 <Matthew_Atkinson> sharon: What time is the meeting?
15:24:52 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: 8:30am EST
15:26:24 <Matthew_Atkinson> Matthew_Atkinson: Please put your thoughts in the GitHub thread. https://github.com/w3c/wai-personalization-standards/issues/7
15:27:28 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: Wonder if in future there will be some combination of specs that develop extra attributes across many small modules, to provide a route to the authoring community to more easily build things like this in. That's the branding that I'm most interested in, when we get there.
15:28:03 <Matthew_Atkinson> zakim, next item
15:28:03 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- TPAC 2022 -- taken up [from sharon]
15:29:01 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: We're asking all the groups to have a think about upcoming TPAC; we need to gauge how many APA members are interested in attending in person. Looking for a sense on this, for capacity planning.
15:29:11 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: 12 - 16 September
15:29:20 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: We also need to ask: who do we want to meet with?
15:29:27 <CharlesL> q+
15:29:53 <sharon> ack CharlesL
15:29:57 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: We need your thoughts on this fairly soon, so we can feed back to management next month. (Deadline is the end of March, but we want to get information in as soon as we can.)
15:30:33 <Matthew_Atkinson> CharlesL: I want to go, but need to wait and see what travel policies allow. This may change in future of course.
15:30:55 <Matthew_Atkinson> q+
15:31:38 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: W3C ACKs that the situation could change in future, so this is understood.
15:31:48 <sharon> ack Matthew_Atkinson
15:33:34 <Matthew_Atkinson> Matthew_Atkinson: I am keen to attend IRL too.
15:36:36 <Matthew_Atkinson> Matthew_Atkinson: Matthew_Atkinson: Which groups to we want to talk with? Suggest continuing to do a public breakout session, and in the W3C-specific part, talking with groups who raised concerns last time.
15:36:51 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: There were some privacy/security concerns, for example.
15:36:53 <Matthew_Atkinson> q?
15:37:07 <Matthew_Atkinson> zakim, next item
15:37:07 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Planning COGA meetings on our other 2 modules -- taken up [from sharon]
15:37:27 <Matthew_Atkinson> sharon: This is something we need to wait on until we've resolved the naming matter.
15:37:43 <Matthew_Atkinson> topic: W3C Legal Entity
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15:39:48 <CharlesL> q+
15:39:55 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: Watch out for an email on this soon. Work has been going on on this. W3C has been several separate organizations. The plan is to give W3C a legal basis to preserve our work, values and IP and set things up for the next generation going forward. The advisory board (AB) and management want to start talking to us about this. The first public meeting will be the APA call next week (9 - 10am EST).
15:39:57 <sharon> ack CharlesL
15:40:12 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: This will be about the new structure, from an accessibility perspective.
15:40:21 <Matthew_Atkinson> CharlesL: There are three meetings this Wednesday about this too.
15:40:22 <Matthew_Atkinson> ack CharlesL
15:40:33 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: Yes, they are for AC members.
15:41:15 <Matthew_Atkinson> rrsagent, make minutes
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