– DRAFT –
Virtual Locators TF Telco September 17, 2021

<wendyreid> date: 09-17-2021

<wendyreid> dlazin: Why didn't this taskforce come around sooner?

dlazin: Why has this problem not been solved in 20 years?

tzviya: We've been trying to solve this problem for years, and the indexing specification tried to solve it.

tzviya: This came to be from figuring out which parts of the satellite specifications could be brought into the master spec.

tzviya: Indexes has a lot of useful information but there's nothing normative in the spec.

wendyreid: We did a survey and asked people what their interests were and page-numbering came up a lot.

wendyreid: Also we have two open issues about page numbers.

ivan: The whole issue about annotating webpages or pages in a book has been around for 10 or 15 years and browsers never took it seriously.

ivan: What the task force is doing is saying "the ideal thing is not implemented. What is the suboptimal thing that we can do?"

ivan: (earlier) There is a web annotations recommendation that could solve this problem but it is not implemented in browsers.

<tzviya> https://www.w3.org/TR/annotation-model/

<laurent_> laurent+

ivan: Browsers still require that there be IDs in the document for anchors.

George: The problem gets worse with screen readers, because they read from a virtual buffer, not the real HTML.

dlazin: There was also an issue about textbook pages that created this task force ... but I guess it just pushed us over the edge.

Here's what Chrome is doing now: https://www.macrumors.com/how-to/link-to-highlighted-text-webpage-chrome/

wendyreid: I spoke to my team of UX designers and one of the problems we've been running into is "what do automatic page numbers look like?"

wendyreid: I took screenshots from various applications to see how they handle page numbers ... and everyone does it differently. So we have a long way to go.

<wendyreid> https://docs.google.com/document/d/11GypOjE9xOTaINATl5bxVIA3Mc9jzNBGCr6GT_KNaQ4/edit#heading=h.gbsmtjlkuon

wendyreid: My team got really into it, but I'm still working on it. Might have a presentation for you next time.

wendyreid: So let's continue to write the note.

Continue work on the Note

dlazin: Arbitrarily, let's fill out the Format and Persistence section.

<wendyreid> [editing the document]

dlazin: (See changes in Google Doc to understand discussion.)

<wendyreid> [notes from Readium discussions on this topic]

<wendyreid> https://github.com/readium/architecture/issues/123

<wendyreid> https://github.com/readium/r2-streamer-swift/pull/209#issuecomment-859346247