W3C

Accessibility Conformance Testing Teleconference

26 Aug 2021

Attendees

Present
aron, Wilco, trevor, dmontalvo, kathyeng, KarenHerr, Todd, Daniel, hdv
Regrets
Chair
SV_MEETING_CHAIR
Scribe
kathy

Contents


<scribe> scribe: kathy

ACT rules sheet

<Wilco> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OSkPFocXk4K3zYLnwS78WLsWO4PvE5yRcsauyefuIUI/edit#gid=0

wilco: one more thing open. description track went into call for review today
... once merged, will migrate and push in one PR

Open ACT pull requests

<Wilco> https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/pulls

wilco: 2 PRs open by Trevor, already have 1 approval.
... change "recommend" to "required"

daniel: I will review also

wilco: next #1694 add funding to acknowledgement to track tool written under wai tools. currently all but one are. need to distinguish those
... will add a sentence about wai tools funding
... have 1 approval

Karen: I will review

aron: I will review

trevor: can we see how it will render?

<Wilco> https://deploy-preview-51--wcag-act-rules.netlify.app/standards-guidelines/act/rules/html-page-non-empty-title-2779a5/

wilco: removed acknowledgements from heading to footer
... scroll to bottom
... next, update def of included in accessibility tree, need reviews
... next, update line height

trevor: need more time

wilco: next PR #64 will be merged

Surveying proposed rules

wilco: survey 1 letter spacing. type PR already merged.
... I will update Accessibility Support but not blocking because of it
... isn't clear how Accessibility Support relates to SC so needs clarification
... rule targets tools like stylish bookmark which isn't typical AT
... no objections to move rule forward

WAI website update

wilco: I've been working on site update with Shawn's feedback
... added intro text to both rules, updated summary, need to update WCAG 2 Test Rules heading
... Rules pages updated with icons, acknowledgement moved to footer
... table of contents in summary box on rule example

<shawn> https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act-rules/issues/57#issuecomment-902240280

shawn: usability testing in 2017 for redesign, in prototype some pages had toc some didn't
... users wanted summary and toc at beginning of every page. helps orient to page and jump to sections. mostly for orientation
... default redesign would include toc on every page
... toc also provided anchor link to send url
... EO also noted toc would be useful
... want to understand if user exp would improve without toc
... as user who is updating my eval tool and need to incorporate a test rule scenario. how often will a user want to jump to a specific section vs read from top to bottom?

aron: I've read every rule. big learning curve when joining community. I glanced over acc req mapping to see if atomic or composite.
... reading top to bottom
... but now jump to sections

kathy: on first read, I would read top to bottom but revisiting, would jump to test cases mostly

trevor: similar, jump between test cases and expectations

daniel: can see use case of going back and forth

shawn: support common use of read through then jump to test cases and expectations. propose a small toc to enable back and forth

kathy: if toc is at top of the page, going from test cases to expectations would scroll past the content I want, so I wouldn't need to go to top of page toc

shawn: do you want to go to test cases in general or jump to fail?

wilco: I usually look for a specific one

shawn: I have some ideas, will work with wilco and hidde to improve user experience for everyone

aron: like background for code examples in cg pages

wilco: talked to hidde about different colors, might be able to do

shawn: I would support that

hidde: other color scheme might be used on other pages

wilco: can these pages move forward with plan to add toc?

shawn: will use this as template for other pages, let's see if we can get it done in the next week
... if want to publish, add toc now and then consider changing it later

<hdv> current: https://www.w3.org/WAI/standards-guidelines/act/rules/html-page-non-empty-title-2779a5/

wilco: adding toc is a lot of work, need to write script

shawn: page content is generated from headings in wai site

hidde: will send link to wilco

shawn: toc on understanding and techniques pages?

hidde: yes and no, some are long

shawn: shorter toc based on user exp that were shared
... would be nice to have example with toc

wilco: will send page with toc

Surveying proposed rules

wilco: survey 2, agreement to trevor's comment
... passed ex 6 comment ignore
... aron's comment on open issues. 1686 do not think is a blocker

trevor: what if zoom in to make single line of text to more than one line?

wilco: in theory, items in a menu will not be multi-line ever
... edge case that we don't need to worry about

trevor: would this change applicability or assumption

aron: edge case of menu item with line height style set to important
... very unlikely

wilco: #1687 no content in a div with letter spacing still fails.
... wrap letter spacing with letter spacing would also be a problem
... #1688 also edge cases
... propose move forward with PRs open

trevor: working with jean yves on one

karen: have seen some of those edge cases in wild.

<shawn> Hi Wilco. I have another idea that I think might work much better to improve usability. So, don't spend time on a TOC yet. I hope to send email with my idea within an hour

<Wilco> Thanks Shawn. I'll wait for that.

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

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