W3C

WAI Curricula Task Force Teleconference

29 June 2021

Attendees

Present
CarlosD, Donal, Howard, shadi, sloandr
Regrets
Estella, Roberto, Gerhard
Chair
Daniel
Scribe
shadi

Meeting minutes

Work on Covering Different Menu Types and Behaviors https://wai-curricula.netlify.app/curricula/designer-modules/navigation/#topic-menu-behaviors-and-patterns

DM: Navigation module, topic on Menu Behaivors and Patterns
… comment was not clear enough
… added guidance on styling and resize
… several other improvements
… anything missing in your view?

DS: module is on navigational menus
… but also covers application menus
… might be more for interaction module

DM: yes, going back and forth on this

DS: maybe not an issue, just struck me

SAZ: so how will application menus be handled?

DM: focus here is on navigational menus
… then discuss application menus later on in interaction module

CD: could make explicit the different dimensions here
… static vs fly-out navigation
… maybe needs explicit distinguishing
… menus based on their purpose
… and based on their behavior

CD: so application menus in interaction

DM: so hearing that application menus should not be here
… but make it more clear the different types of menus
… and purpose of these

DR: I support that

<Daniel_> https://wai-curricula.netlify.app/curricula/designer-modules/interaction-and-feedback/

DM: not very sure how it fits in interaction and menus
… already a lot there

SAZ: wonder if menus explained well in the Navigation module
… especially styling, behavior, and such
… then application menus can be inline in the topics in Interaction module
… might not need a specific topic on application modules

CD: recall we discussed a module on widgets
… if so, then it fits in there
… otherwise support idea from Shadi

DM: think we concluded against a module on widget

SAZ: think module on widgets would get repetitive
… maybe add examples in Ideas for Teaching in Interaction module
… and also reflect at the top of the module, to make it easier to see what is covered

Extended Error Coverage https://wai-curricula.netlify.app/curricula/designer-modules/interaction-and-feedback/#topic-errors-and-notifications

DM: added more on error messages and suggestions
… now a little more spread-out
… the different types of notifications and messages
… still missing inline messages and notifications
… like messages appearing while you type an email telling you it's wrong
… apart from this, do you miss anything else?

CD: messages that disappear after some time
… covered here but maybe not as directly and clearly

SAZ: maybe small tweak to sharpen the wording
… but not get into specifc techniques

DS: agree with comments so far
… maybe add examples of bad practice in Ideas for Teaching
… because examples are so powerful

+1 to Dave
… can also be applied to other modules
… but especially here in error management
… because so many different ways of doing it

CD: agree with Dave, examples can be very illustrative here
… wonder about messages that rely on a single mode
… might also need to talk about conveying messages programtically

DM: could add some of the cross-references here
… like to not relying on color alone and such
… will do that here as well, as a reminder
… will also look at the programatic approach and cross-reference to developer role here

Design-Related Competencies

<Daniel_> Module 1 Competencies

<Daniel_> Module 2 Competencies

<Daniel_> Module 3 Competencies

<Daniel_> Module 4 Competencies

<Daniel_> Module 5 Competencies

<Daniel_> Module 61 Competencies

DM: competencies sections describe requirements for students and instructors
… want to focus on "In-depth knowledge of" part for the Instructors
… thoughts about this approach?
… or on other parts of these sections

SAZ: missing user aspect
… maybe too indirect under "prerequisets for students"?

CD: thinking of two more competencies for instructors
… prototyping and coding
… think needed for this content
… to be able to convey issues to developers

DM: maybe not for all modules?

CD: agree

SAZ: isn't that part of designer skills in any case?

DC: should be

DM: will look at that
… what do others think?

DS: competencies section is very helpful
… why not include business benefits?

DM: had same approach in developer modules
… thought that business case is not always core to teaching developing techniques
… for consistency same approach here

DS: think may need to be different for designers

SAZ: is it because designers are often less supportive of accessibility
… or because they need to explain it more often than developers?

DS: good question, I think both

SAZ: interesting observation
… I often feel developers are more resitant to adding code
… but maybe designers in WAI circles are different

DS: designers often earlier in the process

DM: maybe sometimes design perceived as art
… so more resistance to changing

CD: see Dave's point
… but not really sure required for this module
… but it may be a competency designers should have
… so on the fence here

Next Steps

DM: will be opening survey in the next week or two
… extensive review
… so really deep review
… please take the time for that
… a little behind schedule
… but hopefully now more polished
… thank you all!

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