IRC log of auto on 2021-04-27
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- Meeting: Automotive Working Group Teleconference
- 09:31:47 [ted]
- Present+ Ashish, Hisao, Kenichi, Ted, Stephen, Adnan, Ulf, Arman, Erik, MagnusG, Sebastian
- 09:33:23 [ted]
- Topic: Introductions
- 09:33:48 [ted]
- agenda+ Renesas and Bosch additions to VISS version 1
- 09:33:48 [ted]
- agenda+ major additional features in draft VISS version 2
- 09:33:48 [ted]
- agenda+ testing, tooling, open source implementations
- 09:33:48 [ted]
- agenda+ next steps
- 09:34:10 [ted]
- Present+ Wenwen
- 09:34:22 [ted]
- Present+ Yusuke
- 09:34:56 [ted]
- Present+ Gunnar
- 09:40:05 [ted]
- zakim, next agendum
- 09:40:05 [Zakim]
- agendum 1 -- Renesas and Bosch additions to VISS version 1 -- taken up [from ted]
- 09:44:10 [ted]
- Yusuke shares screen for presentation
- 09:44:49 [ted]
- Yusuke: personal mobility requires connectivity
- 09:45:56 [ted]
- … regarding W3C activity we have started to think about centralized, service architecture
- 09:46:37 [ted]
- … there are three main issues, network availability, massive amount of data and integration and optimization of services
- 09:46:54 [ted]
- … we created some different designs on how to connect to the cloud
- 09:47:13 [ted]
- … taking advantage of edge and cloud computing
- 09:47:42 [ted]
- … we're participating in R-Car consortium with ~250 partners
- 09:48:44 [ted]
- … VISS is used as universal interface
- 09:48:59 [ted]
- … used with a connected SDK
- 09:49:57 [ted]
- … we have a CAN generator for simulating
- 09:50:38 [ted]
- … we are are collaborating with various cloud providers
- 09:51:13 [ted]
- … Renesas R-Car starter kit is available in MS Azure IoT environment
- 09:51:23 [ted]
- … possible to create services around R-Car
- 09:51:50 [ted]
- … CCPF starter kit for application development, some of the requirements come from the customer
- 09:54:04 [ted]
- Ted: the connection SDK for off-boarding data?
- 09:54:23 [ted]
- Yusuke: yes
- 09:56:07 [ted]
- Stephen: simulator adds in some private data
- 09:57:04 [ted]
- Yusuke: yes such as DMS (driver monitoring system)
- 09:57:33 [ted]
- Ulf: the signals you mention like DMS, is that something you want to bring into the [data] standard (VSS)?
- 09:57:45 [ted]
- Yusuku: current thinking is to share with partners
- 09:58:00 [ted]
- Stephen: we are not a DMS supplier, so hard for us to define the signals
- 09:58:14 [ted]
- … we can be helpful in identifying what should be added
- 09:58:42 [ted]
- Ulf: makes sense but we need to work together to fill the gap
- 10:01:26 [ted]
- Ted: @@ on building out VSS signals
- 10:02:17 [ted]
- … anything you can share about access control in R-Car?
- 10:03:23 [ted]
- Hisao: we have security capabilities but this was a trusted environment and not needed at this point
- 10:05:30 [ted]
- Sebastian shares screen
- 10:05:45 [ted]
- Sebastian: we are coming from VSS data point, we want the abstraction inside the vehicle
- 10:05:58 [ted]
- … and bring it all the way up to the cloud
- 10:07:21 [ted]
- … we have a VISSv1 server (Kuksa.val) and use if for various efforts on IoT events and bringing to MS cloud
- 10:07:51 [ted]
- … components fill out the data tree and we have some test clients we can provide
- 10:08:40 [ted]
- [example setting vehicle speed from command line]
- 10:09:31 [ted]
- Sebastian: we have a rudimentary way to connect to the cloud
- 10:09:54 [ted]
- … we have a MQTT server for exposing VSS as well
- 10:12:06 [ted]
- … as Ted mentioned, VISS deferred on security. we are using JWT
- 10:12:29 [ted]
- … token restricts what you can access
- 10:12:41 [ted]
- … we want to be able to control access on individual signal level
- 10:13:03 [ted]
- … we wanted to keep it as simple as possible and kept permissions flat
- 10:13:14 [ted]
- … inside the vehicle we do not have model of roles
- 10:14:11 [ted]
- Ulf: version 2 uses a role based access control model
- 10:14:42 [ted]
- … there is more need for authorization server in the vehicle to determine which signals are allowed for a given role
- 10:14:49 [ted]
- … you can also get granular per signal
- 10:15:08 [ted]
- … using policy documents, which adds complexity and flexibility
- 10:15:56 [ted]
- Sebastian: I see need for roles at some point. in our architecture we don't see that needed within the vehicle
- 10:16:09 [ted]
- Ulf: agree, different flavors
- 10:18:57 [ted]
- Ted: some of that comes from the different use cases and allowing for connections from the cloud in addition to in-vehicle
- 10:20:21 [ted]
- Sebastian: we consider ourselves compliant with v1 and some additions
- 10:20:47 [ted]
- … v2 has some advanced things for filtering which may also be something we don't want
- 10:21:12 [ted]
- … v2 scope is larger and valid but maybe want some different feature levels
- 10:22:09 [ted]
- Ulf: I agree, not everything needs to be implemented but can have common set for compliance
- 10:26:40 [ted]
- Ted: we should start a couple issues to further discussion - filtering essential and optional; two flavors of access control for trusted (simpler) and untrusted environments/uses
- 10:27:12 [ted]
- Ulf: we do have a reference implementation which fulfills 100% of the spec which may help consideration
- 10:34:23 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/04/27-auto-minutes.html ted
- 10:43:04 [ted]
- s/@@ on building out VSS signals/we were not encouraging contributions of new signal definitions while refactoring VSS and have since only added a few around eg EV, we want to start creating more for ADAS, DMS etc and welcome help in enlisting contributions/
- 10:43:06 [RRSAgent]
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- 10:45:51 [ted]
- i/Sebastian: we have a rudimentary/Topic: major additional features in draft VISS version 2/
- 10:45:52 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/04/27-auto-minutes.html ted