Meeting minutes
Planning a community webinar
tzviya: We did an update on
the activity last year
… we haven't kept up with communications
… we've done some outreach
… we wanted to discuss some ideas for running another
webinar, or other approaches
… thoughts?
George: I think that there
has been a lot of webinars that people have been attending
… people are tired of them, even though its a good
thing to do
… we've produced a lot
… the community doesn't necessarily know about all of
the resources
… part of it should be leading people to resources to
keep up with things
tzviya: I agree, people are
overwhelmed on webinars
… but there's also a number of good ones out there
… adjacent to or part of
… DAISY, ebookcraft, etc
… maybe we can capitalize on whats been happening
George: and curate
… guide people to the good stuff
avneeshsingh: In webinar it
depends on what we want to talk about
… the topic needs to be engaging
… people might want to know about the outcomes of our
work as opposed to the technical issues
… if I present the epub a11y work in the context of
the alignment with EUAA
… we have a new document with explanations for all of
the different content types
… all of these things are attractive to a multitude of
users
… if we show things like this, it could be successful
… we shouldn't talk about the boring techy stuff
liisamk: Avneesh +!
… +1, what is interesting for the less technical
… put a lot of faith that people are overloaded
… people do watch videos or use the materials that
come out of a webinar
… we may get lots of people participating
asynchronously
tzviya: +1
… thinking about webinar fatigue and making things
engaging
… we've worked on the weeds for a while
… the nuts and bolts
… most people are not interested in those details
… even a 20 minute update would be pretty boring
… readability, testing, accessibility improvements
… people would be interested in it, but mostly in the
accessibility part
… should we do an epub accessibility webinar?
George: I wonder if putting out a document that would link to a series of short videos that people could choose from
<Ralph> [Ralph arrives, with apologies for being late]
George: this menu that
people select from would be organized around various topics
… accessibility, metadata, etc
… rather than trying to put everything into a single
webinar
tzviya: Brief videos on the various topics we're working on and let people watch what they want
George: It's maybe more work for us, but it also means this content is reusable
<Ralph> [I like George's suggestion to make shorter recordings that people can watch on their own schedules]
George: or usable by people in other contexts
liisamk: I like this idea
… building a repository of information we can curate
… push people to share it more widely
… accessibility, if we have segments on specific
issues
… why a11y is important for this region
… it can be sent to many different stakeholders
… build more buy-in
Ralph: I like George's
suggestion
… especially the reuse
… but we don't have interaction opportunities
tzviya: I like this idea, my
word of caution is that we'd need to make sure it doesn't date itself
… if I make a video about progress on testing
… we need something that can be used in 6 months
… capturing the approach vs the progress
George: That makes a lot of
sense
… some of these videos we can be careful with the
message
… the video I did with Thorium, I put the version
everywhere, but I could do another without a version so as not to
date it
… webinars are generally not that interactive
… I wonder if it might be fun
… to have a meeting where people can just talk
… ask questions to the community leaders
… let people just ask whatever they want
tzviya: We do office hours
with the AC
… it's been successful
Ralph: Riffing on George's
idea
… if we explicitly invite people to an AMA/office
hours sessions
… you can ask us anything
… it's great if we can make the content that is usable
for a long time, but it shouldn't be a constraint
… if we have to do something that's specific, that's
ok
tzviya: I will start a document where we can brainstorm ideas
Bill_Kasdorf: I like both of
these ideas, library and office hours
… I'm hearing two kinds of videos
<tzviya> https://
Bill_Kasdorf: one updates
… other is tutorial
… the videos lend themselves to the latter
… the former will date themselves
tzviya: I wasn't thinking
tutorials
… I think we're talking about progress
… what we've done, what we plan to do
Bill_Kasdorf: It should be one or the other
Ralph: The advantage of
recording the updates, come back and it'll be efficient, it solves
many of our issues, time zones, internationalization
… people can link to it
George: In the menu, on the
business side, giving people a headsup for the EUAA
… people will find it very useful
… especially something that management can use
… CG updates and WG updates, all three areas sound
good to me
<Ralph> +1 to George
George: make it spreadsheet,
then people can signup or recruit
… editing will be a challenge
… we use zoom to record, Richard has edited a few
<tzviya> https://
tzviya: Spreadsheet created,
please populate
… other challenge will be where to host,
communications
liisamk: So doing this way takes the pressure off having a hard date to work towards, but do we have a soft date?
tzviya: We did this in July
last time?
… in general in July people are away, but maybe it's
ok
… target having a list of videos by the next steering
committee meeting
… recorded by June
… edited and published by July
… schedule our AMAs in July/August
<mateus> +1
tzviya: depending on calendars
<wendyreid> +1
<liisamk> what is vacation?
avneeshsingh: I was just thinking if we want to utilize the time of the content creators, isn't July a good time to record
tzviya: Good point
… move the filming and editing to the summer, AMA to
September
… shifting everything by one month
avneeshsingh: If vaccination speeds up, people might take time off
Cristina: There's a need to
provide guidelines to the people who make the video
… what we want to achieve, length, content, with
slides or without
… editorial guidelines
Global Participation in the CG
tzviya: We know that Mateus
and Zheng on finding an APAC friendly time
… and Karen and Bill are looking into membership
… increasing awareness and members
… first question, hows it going?
mateus: Attendance in those
meetings has not been good
… only one person
… it doesn't seem to be a timezone issues
… we did it specifically to allow for more
participation
… it seems like a community engagement problem
… we've sent a few notes out to the groups
… it has not been easy to get people participating
… I've spoken with Karen
… she connected me with someone from Australia
… I've reached out
… so if anyone else has ideas
… we want more participation
Bill_Kasdorf: One thing
we've found is the interest in AU is about accessibility
… Daihei is very involved in getting more membership
and attention from Asia
… working with him might be productive
<Ralph> [Manisha Amin is our Eastern Australia W3C Evangelist -- she is the CEO of Centre for Inclusive Design]
liisamk: Daihei and I are in
the same place, I've been reaching out with my contacts as well
… Daihei has contacts in Taiwan and Korea
… we got a lot of participation in Japan
… we'd like to see beyond Japan
tzviya: I know Zheng had made some efforts to contact people through the miniapps group
mateus: I haven't heard
anything back either
… thinking about this more
… there's a different between the business group and
CG
… we have a number of task forces that might not be
addressing problems these group aren't interested in
… but we don't know what they want without
participation
… we can't generate work interesting to the community
without the community
… if we can get 1 or 2 strong advocates from these
places with ideas that are useful to them
… miniapps, etc
<Bill_Kasdorf> +1 to Mateus
mateus: if we have a strong
advocate like that, it'd produce engaging activity
… everything right now is quite "western"
… the publishing industry in NA/EU
tzviya: We need to get
involvement in the CG to get involvement elsewhere
… we need to get their involvement to capture their
attention
… it's going to take research to figure out what
people want
… there's maybe some of that with accessible FXL
… maybe this is a conversation we need to have to tap
certain members
ivan: this miniapp idea
could be interesting
… not sure how it would affect EPUB
… the person who leads the chinese team in W3C, she
has been in a lot of meetings with me on publishing
… she actually knows a bit about EPUB and all of these
… she would be a good contact
… we also know people at Alibaba
… it's an interesting idea, it's certainly something
to explore
George: I still think the
notion of best practice collections and best way to do things on
images or whatever is separate from Daisy KB or accessibility, but
"how to get the job done" people would be interested in
… but we've never gotten it off the ground
… perhaps the CG could showcase one of the taskforce's
work and let the TFs meet when it works for them
liisamk: One of the things
we've been working on in the BG is the idea of FXL + reflow
… we've gotten interest
… we're talking about it again to build usecases
… I have colleagues building tests for this
… it works but not as expected
… getting to implementation
… a CG taskforce and participation from big retailers
… I've heard from big retailers that there's interest
Wendy: glad that the BG is
looking at this
… it's also a topic being discussed in the FX Layout
Accessibility TF
… let's work closely to avoid duplication of effort
… the WG isn't making changes to the EPUB A11y spec
but we should still coordinate
Garth: FXL + flow, it's
supported in the current spec, not as well implemented
… no spec changes, just RS support
liisamk: Trying to get RS support and publisher support
tzviya: And the WG is trying to make it accessible
Garth: Sample content would be helpful
tzviya: Last topic
… George and I were in a WAI coordination call
… we were asked about some videos that EOWG was
working on, and that there was enough represenation of the
publishing community
Review videos from WAI EO for publishing content
<tzviya> https://
tzviya: here's the list of
requirements
… the most interesting part is
<tzviya> https://
tzviya: this one was written
with publishing in mind
… if we could get some volunteers to review this and
the perspective of publishing is represented accordingly
<tzviya> log concerns at https://
Ralph: George and Avneesh could recommend something
George: This is asking us to
jump in with EO's work
… I will take a look at what Shadi has done
… I imagine many of these videos pertain to publishing
avneeshsingh: Do we have a deadline?
George: They want feedback
within a week
… final deadline is December
tzviya: This is for WCAG 2 but will carry into WCAG 3
tzviya: there may be gaps moreso than inaccuracies
avneeshsingh: I can reach out to the a11y TF