W3C

– DRAFT –
ARIA WG

08 April 2021

Attendees

Present
carmacleod, CurtBellew, Greta, harris, Jemma, Joanmarie_Diggs, MarkMcCarthy, sarah_higley, siri, StefanS
Regrets
MelanieSumner BryanGaraventa IrfanAli CynthiaShelly MattKing
Chair
JamesNurthen
Scribe
carmacleod

Meeting minutes

New Issue Triage<https://bit.ly/3mtOMDR>

<jamesn> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1451

<Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1451

Scott_OHara: I'll take this

https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1450

https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1447

<MichaelC> Several features are deprecated in 1.2, so we do have precedent and pattern

New PR Triage<https://bit.ly/3dMcd7i>

<Jaunita_George> Question -- where's the draft for 1.3?

<jamesn> Secondary actions on items in composite widget roles #1440 for next week

Juanita: https://w3c.github.io/aria/

Meaty topic for next week<https://bit.ly/3moWBuw>

<jamesn> in 2 weeks Data Visualization discussion

1.2 - How are we validating Author MUST statements?

<joanie> The implementation report and summary of changes seem to imply that the ARIA 1.1 comboboxes will remain, though that role highlights "Major Changes to combobox role in ARIA 1.2". This implies a lack of implementations of the ARIA 1.2 combobox changes, and raises questions of what other changes ARIA 1.2 brings that the summary of changes did not document.

joanie: The 1.2 changes are all for authors, except for valuetext.

StefanS: The ARIA group should certify a validator.

jemma: I think Joanie is asking whether we should validate what authors write?

<Zakim> jamesn, you wanted to ask Michael what we have done in previous versions

joanie: does that report need to include validators

jamesn: didn't we have validators in the past

MichaelC: I think that if we want authors must requirements, then we need to validate them

MichaelC: I have a vague memory of saying that it's trivial for authors to follow these requirements

jamesn: Harris, is there a way to know if axe covers all of these?

<Jaunita_George> Sorry, would this task force be the one who could help with this: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/conformance-testing/

harris: possibly

scott: what do we need to prove here? We know that the implementations are there.

jamesn: I think we need to prove that author must statements are implementable

sarah_higley: why aren't the combobox changes listed in the section on substantive changes

jamesn: They are, but there are 2 sections that need to be merged into one. That will be done before PR.

scott: can we add a note to the 1.1 spec?

jamesn: no, sorry

scott: because a problem is that people still use the 1.1 spec because 1.2 isn't rec yet

sarah_higley: and people still have a link to the 1.1 spec

<Jaunita_George> I can help with the testing documentation with both manual/automated testing

Action: jamesn: find a diff between author requirements between 1.1 and 1.2

1.2 -User agent implementation expectations for name-prohibited roles with names?<https://github.com/w3c/aria/discussions/1449>

scott: focusable div should be a group.

<Jaunita_George> Maybe a new role? Like role="generic"?

jamesn: should contenteditable be a textbox?

<Jemma> wow. that is a good idea.

<Jemma> Joannie's idea

scott: no, because contenteditable is allowed on every element, and having all textboxes doesn't work very well

Jaunita, we have a generic role: https://w3c.github.io/aria/#generic

scott: regarding authors must... it's a specification, follow it

Detectability of AT<https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1371>

<jamesn> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1371#issuecomment-813689264

<jamesn> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1371#issuecomment-813697743

<Jaunita_George> Thanks @carmacleod.

jamesn: Any comments on the privacy group's proposed change?

jemma: JamesN, your comment is easier to read, but their comment says why

jamesn: not sure if we want to say "invasion of privacy"?

jemma: we don't want to scare people

jamesn: let's use tracking vector (with the link to the definition) instead of device fingerprinting

<Jemma> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eOuxryD506tFc3ckGHclrluhJoCVvdb8FSLoTqaU8ZY/edit#heading=h.uljb0tkprk6

<MichaelC> https://github.com/w3c/onboarding

<MichaelC> Note, the onboarding email message shouldn´t be too long, perhaps you want to put some of this info into a resource page you link to from the email

<Jaunita_George> Thanks!

<Jemma> thanks for the feedback, Michael

<Jaunita_George> Will do. Thanks so much!

Summary of action items

  1. jamesn: find a diff between author requirements between 1.1 and 1.2
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