W3C

– DRAFT –
ARIA Authoring Practices Task Force

02 March 2021

Attendees

Present
Bryan, carmacleod, CurtBellew, jamesn, Jemma, jongund, MarkMccarthy, Matt_King, mck, sarah_higley, siri
Regrets
Curtbellew
Chair
Matt King
Scribe
carmacleod

Meeting minutes

<jongund> having trouble with the zoom link

Rename will happen tomorrow

mck: you will need to perform 3 git commands

mck: jes will be standing by in case there's any problems

rename default branch to main

slider PRS

mck: color slider looking good, should we work on thermostat slider next?

jongund: sure

<Jemma> feedback on "WARNING! Some users of touch-based assistive technologies may experience difficulty utilizing widgets that implement this slider pattern because the gestures their assistive technology provides for operating sliders may not yet generate the necessary output. To change the slider value, touch-based assistive technologies need to respond to user gestures for incrementing and decrementing the value by synthesizing key events. This

<Jemma> is a new convention that may not be fully implemented by some assistive technologies. Authors should fully test slider widgets using assistive technologies on devices where touch is a primary input mechanism before considering incorporation into production systems.

mck: re color slider, is the wording of the warning good? incorporated feedback from Patrick

carmacleod: +1 looks good

mck: SVG inline elements note - go with succinct wording?

<Jemma> this is the comment Matt and Jon discussed. https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1746#issuecomment-787713917

mck: will make comment change, and then merge tomorrow after change of master to main

thermostat slider example

<Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1755

Jemma: Just want to note that WCAG 2.2 is discussing target size for sliders

<Jemma> This is what we have as the visual review criteria. https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/Pull-Request-Review-Process#design_review

<Jemma> "Review the visual presentation to assess whether look and feel is similar to typical modern implementations of the widget. Allow for adjustments to accommodate accessibility requirements in cases where most modern implementations are not sufficiently accessible."

Disclosure navigation menu with top-level links

<Jemma> sarah and mck: talking about HCM support

<Jemma> sarah: usually regular border color tends to be text color

sarah: HCM overrides text, borders

<Jemma> mck: even do we recommend this HCM then? it is different from svg

<Jemma> mck: we did not do any "special" thing here for color contrast

mck: can we just take out that point?

<Jemma> mck: we will remove color contrast section for this example

sarah: I'm ok with taking that point out

Plan file directory treeview updates for aria-at

mck: Ok, I'll make that one change, and merge!

Modal dialog questions

Plan file directory treeview updates for aria-at

mck: need posinset and setsize virtualization example

mck: maybe use navigation treeview?

sarah: prefer not to use that one - need a separate example

mck: do you think the file directory treeview would be the simplest classic treeview example?

sarah: yes, I think everyone understands file directory in a treeview

mck: so a separate example using file directory to show virtualization?

sarah: makes sense, or we could think of another example

sarah: maybe update some of the examples that use declared properties: treeview, list, etc.

sarah: virtual tree is a good test for aria-at project, because screen readers often don't trigger scroll or focus with virtual cursor

sarah: so the new content is not brought in, and virtual cursor feels broken

mck: need to talk about aria-selected

mck: currently the file directory example does not do anything with aria-selected - but the pattern says to use it

mck: should we be using aria-selected?

jongund: a common tree in higher education is for a library

mck: maybe the edit box should change based on the focused item, and enter doesn't do anything

mck: need to make a tree that's both realistic and super-simple

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