Meeting minutes
<Judy> https://
Judy: IDCG and PWE decided
in December to merge
… though there are still different batches of work we
want to move forward
… Tzviya asked me to lead a review of the pending work
on the Positive Work Environment
Introductions
Judy: I'm the WAI Director at W3C
Sheila: I work at Bocoup,
newly joined the PWE CG
… I have a little bit of experience with ombuds
programs in a different context
Ralph: I'm W3C staff, working out of Massachusetts; Architecture & Technology Lead
Nishad: I'm a researcher at
Tsukuba University in Japan, working on semantic web
… I was attending meetings of the IDCG
Barbara: I focus a lot on
media and entertainment, WebRTC for example
… I work for Intel
… Inclusion and diversity is a key area for me
personally and for the company
… I want to see how we can make W3C a more inclusive
environment
Jeff: I'm W3C CEO and one of
the five who are currently designated as an ombudsperson
… it's been shared with me that Ombuds who are W3C
executives could make people uncomfortable raising concerns
… it's not our objective to discourage people
… so I'm interested in working on proposals to have a
more inclusive system
<Judy> https://
Judy: ^^ GitHub repo for the PWE Roadmap
PWE Roadmap
Judy: the two CGs are merged
… there will be an updates statement of focus; Tzviya
and Liz will circulate that
… this meeting is a work orientation and task review
session
… some context:
… there's a lot of material on that Roadmap page
… and it does not yet reflect the merger with IDCG
… we'll be looking at the intersection of the work of
the two groups
… PWE did a major update to the CEPC last year
… that work is not reflect in this roadmap
… CEPC training is included here; there's a lot more
training to do, though that work will largely be taken over by W3C
staff and the previous trainers
Judy: a lot of the work here
is re-thinking the Ombuds program itself
… Tzviya and I talked about the schedule last week and
we moved the dates by 2 quarters
… CEPC Procedures will need thought so there's more
structure about how W3C uses the program
Judy: in the Ombuds Program
there are 6 tasks listed
… do these look like the right tasks, the right
timeframes, and the right people?
… most are tagged with people's names; others may be
interested in joining
Jeff: task 1; "ensure the
role is limited but not eliminated"
… seems we shouldn't limit before defining the new
role
Sheila: sounds like it's
saying the current ombuds situation might be clarified
… does the MIT Ombuds have a role?
Judy: MIT does have an
Ombuds office but it's not relevant to most of W3C's work as we are
multi-host
… the MIT program does not cover the W3C participants
outside of MIT
… the PWE CG had decided previously that we in no way
want to stop the existing W3C Ombuds program before we have new ones
… but we wanted to not a caution, as ordinarily the
Ombuds program is independent of the executives
… is there a better way to word this task to reflect
the intent?
<jeff> https://www.w3.org/Consortium/pwe/#Procedures [page with current Ombuds list]
Judy: we had looked at definitions from the International Ombuds Association
<BarbaraH> Wording suggestion - alignment
Ralph: I think the intent was that we confirm -- and possibly document -- the role the MIT Ombuds office has
Jeff: so we might declare this done
Judy: about dates; will we finish this in Q1?
<jeff> Ralph: I heard Jeff declare it was done
<jeff> ... should document it somewhere
Jeff: the "(possibly other hosts)" is confusing; if the other Hosts are to be queried, it will take longer than Q1
Judy: I'll keep it as Q1 for now
Judy: task 2: "Define
interim W3C Ombuds role"
… right now there's not a clear working definition for
any of the folks in that role
… the idea here is to write some explanation without
waiting for a full Ombuds program to be put in place
… do people still agree with this task?
… the intent of making assignments is that something
is brought back here
Jeff: at one level I think
this task and the assignees is fine
… from the perspective of developing the right answer,
there's not statement of developing requirements
… there's ambiguity of what the role is or is not
… the ombuds have certain limited responsibilities
… it would be useful to have some documentation of
what is missing from the current role; where do we need
clarifications
… it would help to have people address what's missing
… to clarify what can and cannot be done [now]
Judy: I'm looking for
wording to propose a minimal expansion of the task description
… maybe this should be done in conjunction with the
current Ombuds
Sheila: mention "include
gaps in the existing program"
… there's a fact-finding component to the work
Barbara: there's a positive side too; not only gaps, but also investigating needs and requirements
Judy: I've revised the description; "Define and document interim W3C Ombuds role (identifying needs requirements)"
<BarbaraH> +1
Judy: please don't hesitate to add your name to any task you're interested in!
Judy: task 3: "Define
selection criteria and process for W3C Ombuds"
… this is the forward-looking work; what kind of
Ombuds program _should_ W3C have
… includes information gathering on what Ombuds
programs are recognized in the field
… Tzviya and I met with the International Ombuds
Association a while ago
… perhaps we need to add a step to bring back what we
learned from those meetings
… is task 3 achievable in 2.5 months?
Sheila: I think it is; I see
the work happening in conjunction with defining the role
… it seems feasible to me
Judy: I'll add an item on Tzviya and myself to regather the information we already had so we have a baseline
Jeff: as we redefine the
procedures and selection criteria for Ombuds, I want to call to our
attention the current description of the Ombuds Program
… we may want to tweak the wording of that description
as we change the selection criteria
Judy: that could be part of the "Define selection criteria ..." task
Jeff: OK
Judy: [updates Roadmap]
… still OK with Q1, Sheila?
Sheila: yes
Judy: task "Identify W3C
Legal Entity (LE) Ombuds needs"
… W3C may become a separate legal entity in January
2022
… that would result in a more unified management
structure
… we may still have distributed Ombuds but they would
not be as closely tied into a local [host] management structure
… do you agree this is still a separate task?
Jeff: the LE Ombuds needs I
would ask that those responsible change the web site to say this is
done in coordination with W3C Legal
… a legal entity has responsibilities and exposures
that we don't have today; this should be noted as a separate item
… we should also make sure the Legal Entity Project
Management Team is tracking the development of an Ombuds program
Judy: I've met with Bill
Judge [LE Project Manager] to make sure he is aware of this work
… I've also talked with Wendy Seltzer [W3C Counsel] to
make sure she is also aware
… I'm willing to continue to keep them both updated
… [updates the assignees on "LE Ombuds" task]
Judy: task "Implement the
defined selection process for new W3C Ombuds"
… when Tzviya and I talked last week we put the PWE CG
as the assignee
… that still may not meet our intent, though there
could be an assigned group
Sheila: when we define the
Ombuds process and selection criteria that will clarify this task
… add a reference now and come back to it
Jeff: do changes in the
Procedures need AC ratification?
… we know that changes in CEPC have to be ratified
because CEPC is linked from Process
… CEPC is complemented by Procedures but does not
incorporate the Procedures
… if the AC does not need to ratify the Procedures
currently, should that be changed?
<jeff> Ralph: I'll attempt a response to Jeff in real-time
<jeff> ... Jeff always asks good questions
<jeff> ... current procedures were not ratified by the AC
<jeff> ... effects our entire community
<jeff> ... some form of AC endorsement should happen
<jeff> ... impacts members representatives
<jeff> ... not clear whether formal W3C Process needs to say that explicitly
<jeff> ... I queued to discuss the timing
<jeff> ... this follows the identification process for Ombuds for LE
<jeff> ... so I read this as "implement LE process"
<jeff> ... question if that is possible before LE
<jeff> ... we need to clarify what we are implementing
<jeff> ... or change dates to post-LE existence
<jeff> ... won't know ombuds candidates until then.
Judy: I'm troubled by two
things: the timelines of how we do the work have already changed
significantly
… and the LE timeline has also changed at least once
… we might appoint Ombuds and then have to re-do them
… I think our timeline for the Roadmap should be to do
what is most efficient
… if we were to do a detailed Procedures document and
take that to AC review, it could both improve the program and also
slow it down a lot
… I worry about our existing program with its existing
gaps
… is it possible to decide which things need AC review
at a high level?
Nishad: I'm not ready with comments yet
Barbara: same here
… as the IDCG participants become more aware of this
work we may be able to comment more
… I do like this Roadmap; it was easy to follow
Judy: do we need another
task to work on the most efficient timelines?
… or is that Business As Usual?
… I'll leave it as BAU
Judy: task "Provide input to
W3C LE Ombuds resourcing"
… this partly is the continued conversation with Bill
Judge as W3C CFO and also the person managing the LE transition
project
… I've raised with him that the Ombuds program may
need resourcing
… particularly if we outsource any of the program,
e.g. investigations
Judy: task "Plan W3C LE
Ombuds selection"
… there's also a missing step "... and put in place"
Barbara: there's also a
communications step needed
… to chairs and to W3C Members
… a great program isn't useful if nobody is aware of
it
Judy: [revises the page]
… "Plan W3C LE Ombuds selection; put in place; and
communicate throughout the organization"
… assigned to PWE CG and W3C Communications
CEPC Procedures
Judy: can we skim this here?
… it's important to consider in parallel with the
Ombuds program
… how Ombuds are trained and how our community
understands how it works
… would you look at this and be prepared for a similar
walkthrough of whether this looks like the right stuff?
Barbara: some of the dates haven't been updates; there's still mention of 2020
Judy: good spotting
… fixing
Barbara: on getting others involved, the CEPC is so valuable and we do many AB and TAG reviews; could we ask our leadership to review this and provide their insights and feedback?
Judy: I think we need an
efficiency filter
… do as much as we appropriately can in the CG before
additional review cycles on things we're assigning to ourselves
… let's talk about what is the right level to bring in
higher-level review
Barbara: and at what phase; are we asking for review of the sausage or ingredients to make the sausage
Judy: I'd appreciate
feedback on the parallel set of stuff in a future meeting
… most of the Ombuds work is getting assigned out and
we need to figure out when to bring it back
… we can think about opportunities to update the AB at
our next meeting
Judy: I'll update Tzviya; she regrets she could not join today
[adjourned]