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XForms Users Community Group Teleconference

18 Dec 2020

Agenda

Attendees

Present
Alain, Erik, Steven
Regrets
Chair
Steven
Scribe
Steven

Contents


December meeting dates

[Last meeting this month; next meeting Jan 8]

replace="instance"

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2020Dec/0007

Steven: Can you use @instance and @targetref at the same time?

Erik: I think so.
... Let me check.
... I need more time to check.
... I think it's the case. The spec might say something.

Steven: replace="instance" instance="foo" targetref="instance('bar')"
... what should happen in that case?

Erik: I was thinking one is relative to the other. Then instance="" sets the context, and then targetref is releative to that, and that answers the question

Steven: Good answer

Alain: I agree

<scribe> ACTION: Steven to check that spec for @instance and @targetref is fully defined

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2293 - Check that spec for @instance and @targetref is fully defined [on Steven Pemberton - due 2020-12-25].

Erik: I will double check that that is what we do.

ACTION-2292: Specify merge of send and load.

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2020Dec/0008

Alain: What about <header> elements?

Erik: I think it would be good to allow <send> to have them as well.

Steven: Good.

Erik: I'm not happy with the events going to the send element though.
... do we have a precedent for an action getting events?

Steven: Yes <load> gets load-error events.

Erik: There is the question of sequencing submissions.
... if they are synchronous, then the first would run, blocking other things, and then the second would run regardless.
... if they are asynch (the default now), the first would start, and I think the second would start, not sequnced.

Steven: I do <submission....><send ev:event="xforms-submit-done".../></submission>

Erik: It's not convenient in general.

Steven: I'm happy to try and find a better solution, let's think about it.

Erik: If we had a better way, it would matter less where the event was sent.

Steven: Do we care about <load ref=""/>?
... it is just the same as resource="{...}"
... load has @ref and @resource

Erik: I think it can stay.

Alain: It's not consistent.
... avt on resource makes it useless.

Steven: We could deprecate it.

Erik: I could live with that.

RESOLUTION: deprecate load/@ref

Steven: What should happen if load transmission fails? We don't say.

Erik: It should be the same as with suibmission ideally.

Steven: Do we want load to also have all the submission attributes

Erik: Keep it simple.

AOB

Steven: http://invisiblexml.org
... created yesterday FYI.
... there is a unofficial WG working on implementations, the spec, and test sets.

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<scribe> ACTION: Steven to spec load URL traversal failure

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2294 - Spec load url traversal failure [on Steven Pemberton - due 2020-12-25].

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Steven to check that spec for @instance and @targetref is fully defined
[NEW] ACTION: Steven to spec load URL traversal failure
 

Summary of Resolutions

  1. deprecate load/@ref
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