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ARIA WG

17 Dec 2020

Agenda

Attendees

Present
StefanS, carmacleod, jamesn, Sina, Mark_McCarthy, sarah_higley, mel_sumner
Regrets
JamesCraig, PeterKrautzberger, JoanmarieDiggs, IsabelHoldsworth
Chair
JamesNurthen
Scribe
carmacleod

Contents


<jamesn> agendabot, find agenda

<agendabot> jamesn, OK. This may take a minute...

<agendabot> clear agenda

<scribe> scribe: carmacleod

https://github.com/search?l=&q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+repo%3Aw3c%2Faria+created%3A%3E%3D2020-12-10+repo%3Aw3c%2Faria+repo%3Aw3c%2Faccname+repo%3Aw3c%2Fcore-aam&type=Issues

https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1373

sina: isn't this up to the AT?

StefanS: I think this is 1.3, because the definition of aria-roledescription needs to be sharpened

jamesn: StefanS can I assign you?

StefanS: yes, please do!

https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1373

jamesn: StefanS can you look at these together? They seem related.

StefanS: sure

https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1371

jamesn: will add Blocking label for 1.3

https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1368

jamesn: 1.3

https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1370

<jamesn> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/762

Next meaty topic

Updates on blocking issues for 1.3<https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3A1.3-Blocking>

sina: note that there's a new comment in https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1371#issuecomment-747610449
... it references 1.2

jamesn: we can do this for 1.2

Tighten up Required Context Role: group<https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1359>

<jamesn> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1150

sarah_higley: just added a gist that has a definition of the word descendant

jamesn: cool! that's really useful!

sarah_higley: there was a bunch related to managing focus - they used the word "descendant" on its own.

jamesn: wow, there are a ton of uses.
... this is a good starting point. we know where we stand now

sarah_higley: also, need to add "descendant element" to the summary. There are 12 different uses of "descendant".

"Tighten up Required Context Role: group<https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1359>" taken up [from agendabot]

https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1359

Listbox and tree: clarify requirements for selected and checked<https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1340>

decision: merge!

jamesn: holiday gift!

Updated aria-setsize and aria-posinset to clarify usage for authors<https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1332>

https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1332

mel_sumner: Matt disagreed with the following addition: "If aria-setsize is specified, authors MUST specify a value for aria-posinset."

sina: we need to allow implicit

general agreement to delete authors must and allow implicit

jamesn: what about the opposite? "If aria-posinset is specified, authors MUST specify a value for aria-setsize."

general agreement that this sentence is needed

mel_sumner: actual sentence is: If aria-posinset is specified on an item, authors MUST specify a value for aria-setsize once on the container, or individually on all the items.

jamesn: will check with browser implementors on this

Wish everyone happy holidays. Next meeting Jan 7 2021.

sarah_higley: regarding the aria-selected/checked pr, I'm fine with the spec saying "you can do this if you think its ok", but I don't want any possibility of a should
... for "Authors SHOULD NOT specify both aria-selected and aria-checked on option elements contained by the same listbox except in the extremely rare circumstances where all the following conditions are met"
... would prefer something like: "Authors SHOULD NOT specify both aria-selected and aria-checked on option elements contained by the same listbox, however they MAY in the extremely rare circumstances where all the following conditions are met"

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

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