<mateus> scribenick: zhengxu

@mateus welcome new faces joining PCG

<paul_grenier> prsent+

scribe: usually the purpose of this call is update for each TF in this CG
... our guests today are from pronounciation TF

@janina working on text to speech. we have noticed there is a lot of problem in terms of consistency

scribe: cross platforms, and reading-applications
... and the correct pronounciation is very important cross platforms/screen reading app/reading-applications
... one approach is not just for a11y but more like to have consistent pronounciation from different vendors.
... our TF is creating a draft document for wider usage not only for a11y
... I hope PCG could help us get more involved with wider world including publishers
... we need socialize to have more parties to feedback to our draft
... hope this can be adopted to screen reading application soon. And by the time we hope our draft could get CR

@mark for me we need a way to have more than just read aloud for education purpose

scribe: we have seem SMIL spec that looks closer but we have not found any standard way to bring feature like SMIL to web browser
... we need a standard way to let screen reader conntect with something like SMIL to let student use

@paul_grenier I am web developer focusing on a11y

scribe: we tried to compact SSMIL to json and other way could be embed into html
... use data- attribute or so
... but we need browser vendor to connect dots

@mark: Apple has some support but we will need more reliablly support of SSML in browser vendor. - attribute model
... maybe epub related to SSML usage for phonetic pronunciation.

@mateus Very interested in mathml and how to mark up in html to pronouce during rendering. For example chemistry related material

<wolfgang> s/chemsty/chemistry/

@mark: how to control “pausing” in the text string is very useful in education

thanks @wolfgang :)

@mateus if you could provide us some draft about work in pronunciation TF then PCG could pass along to members

@George which is the part of the draft we want to be in the main stream

@mark: the json conversion or multi-attribute model to combine SSML approach is also what we hope can be put into mainstream

@paul_grenier some of the work needs browser vendors' work. Hope our work could be widely recognized by AT and browser vendors

@George how can PCG to help implement this?

@paul_grenier we have a POC now with some markup examples.

@mark: data- attribute json model is experimented in a few organizations

@mark “text help” a company experimenting SSML

@Avneesh this probably is a PBG and WG could also help on. So can discuss in PBG and WG

@mark: From mhakkinen to Everyone: (11:30 AM)


Editors' drafts are available on:

Explainer: Improving Spoken Presentation on the Web - https://w3c.github.io/pronunciation/explainer

Pronunciation User Scenarios - https://w3c.github.io/pronunciation/user-scenarios/

Pronunciation Gap Analysis and Use Cases - https://w3c.github.io/pronunciation/gap-analysis_and_use-case

@mark Readium is on development with read aloud?

@JuanCorona the original readium (1.0) was sunset. the new one 2.0 is curently maintained in the readium group

@mark: yes we can try to contact to readium

@ivan it would be very important to have this marked or raised as issue in epub wg

<JuanCorona> Thorium (Readium 2-based cross-platform EPUB RS app): https://www.edrlab.org/software/thorium-reader/

scribe: some more specific issue raised for example “some reference should be linked to pronounciation work” will be helpful for ppl not to forget that
... suggest try out readium
... maybe you can have some joint meeting with thorium group

@George do you have authoring tool?

@mark: not yet. we had some hackathon before and saw some good POC. but not any robust implementation at this moment
... hope can have some html with markup with SSML could be consumed by for example Alexa

EPUB 3 WG issues on GH: https://github.com/w3c/epub-wg/issues

<ivan> Pronunciation user scenarios

<ivan> Pr. Gap analysis and use cases

<paul_grenier> https://www.w3.org/2020/10/TPAC/apa-pronunciation.html has video embedded

@mateus we will reach out ot PCG members including JP and FR to see if any work could happen

<ivan> Explainer Improving spoken presentations on the web

scribe: and see if readium2 could help on. And probably can raise issue in PCG github

@paul_grenier one thing is if we can have any feedback that AT could not handle in web browser then we can help to make it standard

@mateus thank you for introduction and we will see what we could help for incubation

scribe: next agenda item
... three main areas we are tracking that
... about connection from wg we are still in progress
... 2. document to MDN, we still need folks to volunteer
... 3. a11y related TF

<Avneesh> https://w3c.github.io/publ-a11y/UX-Guide-Metadata/principles/

@Avneesh we are currently working on metadata. we have first run of document. and we are asking for PCG to help feedback

<Avneesh> https://github.com/w3c/publ-a11y/issues

scribe: apart from this - next working item in TF. How to create a good a11y summary

<Avneesh> https://github.com/benetech/AccessibilitySummaryEPUBMetadata/blob/master/AccessibilitySummaryAuthoringGuidelines.md

scribe: these are the two main items on my side
... this is heads up that our TF will start Jan of next year

@George say if user guide is reviewed by PCG then in what form will the user guide to be published

@mateus this will not be a RC but can be part of CG reports or some other way to make it publish

@Avneesh will check out with Matt about template of CG report

<mateus> https://github.com/w3c/publishingcg/issues

@mateus next item about issues on repo

scribe: issue #6
... we have a lot good feedback also related to web annotation

@JuanCorona I like the idea of epub cfi and put annotation to part of URI. I like to have understanding of why epub cfi was not actually used widely

scribe: so maybe if we can put this in PCG then we can see what can do to move forward cfi

@ivan there is one major issue might come up with epub cfi is what do we do with xhtml(5) vs html(5)

scribe: say if epub3 could accept html5 then cfi is pretty much xml based then we got dead end
... annotation model is to unify annotation to one model
... the main point is we have other selection in web world for example css selection

<JuanCorona> https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Task_Forces/identifiers

<ivan> The note on selectors and states from the anno wg

<JuanCorona> thanks!

@mateus it sounds like next item in PCG

scribe: our next meeting is one month later, happy holidays and try to forget about 2020

see you all in 2021

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