Meeting minutes
Date: 8/9 December 2020
TDM - Text Data Mining
<Daihei> Liisa: TDM is the one Laurent of EDRLab presented the TDM subject at the last PBG meeting
<Daihei> Liisa presents and explain by using the Laurent's TDM presentation deck
<Daihei> Liisa: Laurent came to PBG to find out if publishing industry wants to pursue this
<Daihei> Liisa: For the Japanese content, based on the Japanese law, if they are posted in Europe, it will be affected.
<Daihei> Liisa: Regarding Daihei's question about any actions from US, we are not sure if it is there yet.
Junko: what sort of content will relate to these TDM restrictions?
… will it cover everything video, music, lyrics, and everything related to text?
<Daihei> Liisa: Anything under the European copyright law. Thus, any content.
<Daihei> Liisa: We might want to wait to hear about what's happening and decide from that
Liisa: we might want to get industry associations and our legal people involved to determine whether there is
… something important to us to get involved to guide how we can describe the opt-out methods we need
<Daihei> Liisa: Maybe, next step is to approach to the industry organizations in US, Europe, Japan, Asia
Daihei: yes, to get the industry associations involved would be good
FXL + Reflow
<Daihei> Liisa: We addressed the use cases of breaking from the flowing text box to the edge of the view point if it is useful.
Liisa: reading system engineers thought that a pure fxl + reflow was doable, but other examples would require a change to CSS
<Daihei> Liisa: People are indicating there are not many useful and business cases are for FXL/reflow cased
<Daihei> cases
Liisa: we should continue to build out use cases and image examples to help build the business point
Liisa: are there kinds of content that would benefit? (nodding heads say yes)
y-nagao: i think epub should support more, the value of web goes up and epub suffers by not
… being able to do what web can do
… it is necessary for epub to be comparable to web and on the web things are advancing and epub stays the same with
… either fixed or reflow and people see that the web seems better and that is not good
… for the business and requires more production costs and choices have to be made
… mix of reflow and fixed would make easier to make competitive and comparable content
… requires a more digital first production process and compromises to not have
… +1 for mix of reflow and fxl
MattNelsonWaPo: see this in the graphical teams and with stakeholders that want to launch different verticals
… see with recipes and cookbooks and want content to be as accessible as possible
<Daihei> Liisa: Matthew's case, it's always a compromise to content to fit into a format
shiestyle: think about image in spine for FXL and this idea of what the spread might look like in this new way
<Daihei> Liisa: What I want to do is to place a larger image over the frame and the format will do the cropping
<Daihei> Liisa: Though I see the point of Shinya's idea of how FXL could be, but it can be adjusted to the size
<Daihei> Liisa: On the fonts, Apple case explained by Shinya is something we give up on in US, etc., however
<Daihei> Liisa: we give up but want to see how Japan will manage to deal with Apple
<Daihei> Liisa: not sure if we can help much, but would like to see what we can do with Apple
<Daihei> Shinya: No progress with Apple in Japan yet
<Daihei> Shiya: I will contact Apple and provide you with outcome to discuss at PBG and Liisa
<Daihei> Liisa: Chris from Web Fonts people might come in and give us embedding web fonts situation.
<Daihei> According to him, all solved with web fonts. Not sure if that's the case though
Daihei: business group schedule for the next couple of months and focus on Conference Day meetings for March 23rd
… please give us idea and thoughts for topics
y-nagao: about the TDM issue, EU regulations want to understand how this will be applied
liisamk: it could be quite broad and in our best interests to stay involved and figure out how to be best business opportunities