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ACT Rules Community Group Teleconference

08 Oct 2020

Attendees

Present
Wilco_, Jean-Yves, adil, Jey, Carlos, Daniel
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Scribe
Adil

Contents


<Wilco_> scribe: Adil

zakim next

Final call https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/461

Wilco - couple of number in week 1

scribe: have open an issue in ARIA working group

using text does not provide acc. name

scribe: wilco request everyone to look at it
... Shadi might be interesting in it
... on how to deal it

Rules ready for W3C publication https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/1120

Wilco - only look at thinks that need to do and need to decide

scribe: element within body has valid lang attribute

Jey: waiting for review

Wiclo: JYM review?

WF: couple of rules in list are near to done or in final calls
... alot of stuff to do in W3C changes request
... looks like missing autocomlete rule, need to update list
... Carlos join the meeting
... any progress on all table header ... status

Carlos: Need new date for three weeks
... 29 oct.

WF: works
... No status from Kasper on orientation of the page is not restricted using...
... any one else want to take this rule?

JYM: heading do not have accessible name
... we have added accessibility support
... issues solved
... Required context role.. have add small PR

WF: ready for W3C and need to put date

JYM: Should be in final call because of small change

WF: ok

JYM: it should be ready in two weeks

WF: anything else?
... would like to move element markes as decorative is not exposed...
... there is not any work done on that and need to open an issue

Carlos: took it

Link to related rules in the background https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/1402

WF: we already talk about it before
... but could not finish it
... the idea is to link the closely related links to the background section
... based on that discussed stopped on keywords and ....
... both are good idea
... which should be best? manually put link in background section or keywords?

JYM: manual take efforts but it might be good start
... manual maintenance might take it wrong way

WF: only closely related role such as that function together
... applicability define them together

JYM: it is going to be wear connection between them, almost no maintenance

WF: button has accessible name and image has accessible name does not connect them with each other

Carlos: Keyword is another solution
... manual put the rules is good
... if it the scope is that then it is not alot of work

JYM: the related rules will be in another section and might not background
... if we put more things in background it will be more populated.

Daniel: We might need kind of subsectioning
... if put everything together it will be confusing for many people

WF: we might find something necessary
... assigned this issue self

ARIA required owned, do we need the no implicit requirement? https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/1413

WF: do we need the no implicit requirement in the rule

<Wilco_> https://act-rules.github.io/rules/bc4a75#applicability

WF: in the applicability there are different section
... exception can be take out without changing the rule
... the reason is to avoid the duplicate issue with JEY is working on
... related semantic of list
... ARIA required own element and ARIA to the native element
... there is duplicatoin there
... the main driver is to writing rule is to avoid duplication is siteimprove

JYM: duplication is not problem but in this case it is a bit different
... on that very special case, we have implemented that rule without it
... not going to oppose deleting this exception

WF: other opinions?

Carlos: No problem with removing it

WF: implementation - reporting duplication
... we should try to make the rules as simple as possible
... got solution
... opened issue and self assigned
... rule does not consider default names and all failed examples are actually passing
... a bit surprising

JYM: when there is one document on calcuating acc. name and there is another document saying different
... such as HTML AM

<Wilco_> https://act-rules.github.io/rules/59796f#failed

WF: let's look at the failed examples
... have implemented this in axe-core, trying to remember
... the reason axe-core still fail this is because default name submit query is exteremly unlikely describe the image

JYM: it is actually not empty
... may be we can update the rule the acc. name about default name

WF: right
... any other opnion?
... ?
... NO
... it is better to assume that this acc. name does not describe the name

JYM: it need to be in the rule

WF: OK

Carlos: we used default name in acc. name computation

WF: same here
... but left this one out
... got solution

JYM: can take this one

WF: assigned this issue to JYM

Can we skip final call on example updates? https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/1468

WF: over the pass where I don't want to put rules in final call
... but the process required it
... PR1465

<Wilco_> https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/pull/1465/files

WF: example
... removing the one example and adding another one
... just for this small chaning
... need this rule in the final call
... I don't think anybody does that
... not sure if we need to continue doing stuff like that
... PROPOSAL:
... chaning an example, we can skip the final call phase
... just reviewer need to approve it but not need to be in final call
... any thoughts on it?

Carlos: one more thing, we don't need to define what the previuos changes was
... review need to look at what are the changes
... if it is a new example or removal of example then I will as a reviewer will ask for final call.

Daniel: Do speficy the review always have possible to ask for final call

JYM: Like the idea as we have many small PR that do not require final call
... we need to be aware about to check the changes
... in case of conflict we need to put in final call
... or in worst case where it actuallyr require final call

JEY: change affect the implement
... final call help that something need to be change
... if not consider it the implement might be outdated

WF: No
... it might be done with a notification

JYM: we are merging PR every other day
... it would like to be always up to date
... we are updating examples possibily everyday and don't thing that affect implementation

WF: alright this is accepted
... going to update PR template
... Carlos want to take it?

Carlos: will take it

JYM: notification might be usefull
... for the reviewers
... possible in the description

WF: sharing screen
... in the PR template in the bottom there is approve section

JYM: make sure always look at the final call
... it is already here but not sure how much people consider it
... we need to add some kind of message in the description which give the habit of doing this.

Daniel: I got more attention with the message.
... such as something you need to check there.

WF: not sure we can do it for reviewers

Daniel: I cannot be in PR

JYM: we can start as a reviewers, whenever we review, we can add a message "I am agree with it"ยจ
... in the approval message

WF: how to do the review in the description
... when reviewing keep in mind to check the description
... all agree
... final thoughts

Shadi: good progress
... non WAI-Tools participation today :-D

Daniel: interesting discussion, luckly gone through the whole agenda

Carlos: first for me to go through all agenda items :-D

WF: there are very few issues

JYM: Happy

<scribe> ... completed all agenda items

WF: same for me

Jey: Happy

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

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