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ACT Rules Community Group Teleconference

24 Sep 2020

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Carlos, shadi, Wilco, adil, Daniel, Jean-Yves, EmmaJ_PR, adil_
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Final call https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/461 -

WF: no objections
... congratulations Aron!
... first review

Aron: thanks for your support

WF: PR #1404
... what is the issue?

JYM: confused streaming and non-streaming definitions
... definition for non-streaming completely off
... but impacts all rules related to non-streaming

WF: so this can be merged but need fix related issues

CD: need to get it to the agenda
... will work on non-streaming definition

JYM: maybe be able to have a quick fix
... for finite duration

Rules ready for W3C publication https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/1120 -

WF: updated two days ago
... still going through approval process
... working on the rule with Jey

JYM: two approvals
... PR 1447

AJ: will look into it this week
... PR merged recently with editorial fixes
... but still outstanding issue
... on aria-required owned elements

<Wilco> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1033

AJ: if HTML elements can be considered
... need to wait for confirmation before sending response

WF: propose this to apply to all child elements
... all immediately owned elements
... currently ARIA only considers entire sub-tree
... suggest to remove radio group elements
... because these are quite different
... think there is a fix but need response from ARIA group

AJ: using incorrect HTML in that example

<scribe> ...done on purpose to demonstrate example

WF: yes, that's ok
... need to take date off this one for now

CD: object element has one approval from JYM
... need more reviews
... PR 1441

<Wilco> https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/pull/1441

EPR: can have a look

WF: extend the date by a week?

CD: yes, probably needed

WF: visual elements
... updates on that?

CD: will put in final call
... JYM just approved it

WF: it is already in final call

CD: right, can be merged
... issue to be fixed first

WF: date on that?
... 12th or 19th?

CD: 19th

WF: element with aria-hidden has no focusable content

CD: will need new date too
... read your counter proposal but need to consider
... at least October 12th

WF: forgot the iFrame one
... need to move to October 5th
... auto-complete

AJ: have some questions on the issues raised
... ask the person to clarify or just close them?

WF: our own issue, so can close them

JYM: issues will automatically close when you merge, if they are referenced

AJ: ok, will leave a comment that issue has been addressed
... then close them in a week

WF: no need to close them, will close with merge

CD: scrollable element next

WF: awaiting W3C review

CD: takers for the other ones?
... headers attribute refers to cells in the same table
... issue with inapplicable and passed examples

AJ: can look into it but can't confirm yet

CD: meta-element has no refresh delay
... also issue with inapplicable examples
... apparently only happen in Firefox
... Wilco seems to be looking at it

[unaimous approval to assign Wilco]

CD: failed example for accessible name

JYM: some browsers stop at that point, others don't
... specs not very clear on that issue

EPR: browsers not following spec?

JYM: spec not really clear on that

EPR: could go into the accessibility support section

HB: name and shame?

SAZ: https://aria-at.w3.org/
... might help with that

WF: seems to work on Chrome

JYM: depends on versions, issue reported upstream

<Carlos> https://github.com/w3c/accname/issues/72

JYM: taking this one

WF: another accessible name rule

CD: think we already discussed some of this?

<Wilco_> https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/1248

WF: need to resolve issue 1248

HB: I can take that
... if I get help

WF: will hold your hand, guide you through, and tuck you in!

https://aria-at.w3.org/

Should rules check for the duration of effects that can come into play for passing the rule? https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/1394 -

CD: came up while Jean-Yves was reviewing device motion rule
... reaction could be shortly paused rather than permamently disabled
... Success Criterion unclear about this

AJ: I think safe to assume that disabled means more permanently switched off
... as opposed to temporarily for short period

EPR: yes, agree

<adil_> sorry guys I had some internet issues

SAZ: maybe make the assumption and raise an issue on WCAG 2.2 to provide a definition for "disabled"

JYM: how do you test "disabled"? could have timer to re-enable after a period

AJ: see issue of not being able to test accurately
... thinking of the 20 hour rule

WF: used 10 minutes for something else

CD: were moving from 10 minutes to 1 minute

WF: might be over-assuming that stays disabled permanently
... SC does not actually say that

AJ: agree, it is unclear
... yet reasonable assumption

[agreement to use that assumption]

CD: will take that

SAZ: also suggest relaying the issue to AGWG

WF: issues often not responded to

SAZ: still should do

WF: agree

CD: will do

Remove accessibility support sections from the glossary https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/1416 -

WF: seems we all agree on that

JYM: need to ensure that it is copied in the rule
... and not lost
... has direct impact on the rule

AJ: help to link to accessibility support section?

AH: how often do such exceptions occur
... how general are they in the glossary

AJ: refer to specific rule
... but do not mention specific browsers
... so somewhere in between

AH: if generic, then sufficient in the glossary
... if specific, need to remain in the rule

WF: can just take them out

AJ: agree

CD: leave them in glossary and remove them from injecting in the rule

[agreement]

WF: takes some programming to do but seems we have a solution

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

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