liisamk will talk about TPAC meeting
<liisamk> WOT and Kaz Ashimura will talk about the WOT and the effect on our lives and presentation
<liisamk> ...presentation on the scope of WOT
<bill> WoT and FXL things seprate?
<liisa> Separate. WoT is one and FXL and other format issues will be discussed
<George> widely spread paper
<liisamk> https://daisy.org/MDPWhitepaper
<George> EPUB discussed as sample at schools and other places
<George> PBG should talk about EPUB implementation
<liisa> George's paper posted here
<liisa> anything else you want to talk at TPAC PBG?
<liisamk> Daihei: co-chairs would like to focus and give attention to the business interest
<liisamk> ...want to be a conduit to the publishing community and publishing@w3c
<liisamk> ...business interests should be clearly noted at the TPAC meeting and any ideas are welcome to solicit discussion
<liisa> GitHub Repo about EPUB reading system issues
<liisamk> https://github.com/w3c/epub-rs-bugs/issues
<liisa> Any kind of notes to discuss bugs and issues around EPUB Reading System
<liisa> Amazon is interested in talking about it
<liisa> so is Apple
<liisa> Great talk about accessibility issues, George
<George> We have a lot
<George> Reading system test call was just held
<George> an email will be sent to talk about the reading system for the next meeting
<liisa> Struggles by traditional publishers
<liisa> we want to find out about what can be helpful
<George> Samples, stress test, physics 750 pages books,
<George> Can we use the book, stress test, does not have to be one area
<George> encoding tables and properly coded (or not)
<George> Just received a college student with disabilities
<George> listed so many issues, important to know them
<George> Quite important to know
<Ivan> On stress test, I made W3C document
<Ivan> all kinds of complicated CSS issues and complexity
<Ivan> Stress test is important
<Liisa> Stress test is important to find out about what would work in publications
<Liisa> Index, some does not work, 500 entries or more
<Liisa> Reading system is to find such issues to be worked out
<Liisa> Use of GitHub repo?
<Ivan> On GitHub repo, not necessary to have files themselves
<Ivan> Index could work, in my view
<George> At DAISY, good collections of content for test
<George> Index of content, language, length, etc.
<George> What are the ways to learn about EPUB?
<George> Kindle, Vitalsource, etc. ingesting the test books to show how they work or not in their proprietary system
<George> Do not put EPUB 2's:)
<Ivan> We need to synchronize with EPUB WG's process
<Ivan> Their main focus is to test EPUB 3 instances
<Ivan> Do not duplicate efforts between the groups
<Liisa> Evolutions of the publications
<Liisa> Not only codes but real books
<Liisa> Implement books, test
<George> Tried college STEM materials
<George> 22 mins to validate EPUBCheck
<George> 1000s of files
<George> It might take longer, but all the books are copyrighted and we do not know ways for publishers to donate the rights
<Bill> Scholarly area, creative common license, License needs attributions
<Bill> Content out there, especially scholarly, STEM
<Ivan> EPUB version of a big conference proceedings
<Liisa> Good point, Ivan
<Liisa> Share materials after a conference, new use case
<Ivan> Good contact at ACM (?)
<Bill_Kasdorf> to clarify: In higher ed, OER (Open Educational Resources) and in scholarly, OA (Open Access) content is usually published with a CC-BY license that only requires attribution and is otherwise freely available to use. There are lots of such books out there.
<Ivan> I might be able to get donation from them
<George> Media Overlays could be very interesting for recording EPUB
<George> Slides associated, we used to do a lot at DAISY, 100s of recordings at DAISY, which could become a business
<George> How to deliver content to people
<Liisa> Interesting, at PBG, we are to talk about business interests,
<Liisa> we are talking about building business, interesting
<Liisa> WG to look at next version of EPUB
<Liisa> Another GitHub repo?
<liisamk> `ack George
<George> Conference proposa - Born Accessible and accessible content
<George> supporting materials for professors
<George> I can envision target market to reach various markets
<George> Manuals, my PC's manual is horrible
<George> Reaching out to various companies and Government
<George> DAISY has a mission to reach out to various areas of segments
<Liisa> Weekly search of world, EPUB not accessible to phone
<Liisa> not eBook, not accessible, bringing people to better place
<Karen> interesting topic for the Virtual TPAC meeting of PBG
<Avneesh> What about audiobook specs, web publications, html as microsite, other publishing options, not just EPUB which are to be discussed
<Bill_Kasdorf> +1 to Avneesh
<Daihei> welcome to hear more items and subjects to discuss at TPAC PBG
<Liisa> Community Group and Working Group taking up, in the meantime, some issues are not necessary discussed?
<Liisa> At Asia meeting, some issues related to put things back such as images on spine, but interesting though it has been talked almost 10 years
<Bill> I want to encourage people to look into incubation of web publications for audiobook, comic/manga, etc.
<Bill> NY Times just joined and Wendy jumped at their 1619 Project "Perfect for Web Publication"
<Bill> All in HTML
<Bill> Not in EPUB but easily incorporated into WP
<Bill> We just paused for WP, not failed
<Liisa> Something to give to schools, not PDF
<Liisa> Any other things and subjects to discuss at TPAC
<Avneesh> At TPAC, more integrating W3C's community?
<Liisa> Meeting with WoT, one example
<George> Stress test, samples, I should have mentioned audiobooks, single page HTML document as WP material as opposed to many pages
<liisamk> Daihei: with Avneesh's point, we are limited by the 2 90minute meetings
<liisamk> ...need to talk about business interests now and for the future
<liisamk> ...lots of things that could relate to the publishing business
<liisamk> ...W3C is a treasurebox of web developments
<liisamk> ...want to also talk to XR and media and entertainment people
<liisamk> ...they are working on display and there are so many subjects that could cross over between groups
<liisamk> ...need to manage time frame and could talk about futuristic and really happening kinds of things
<Bill_Kasdorf> need to jump to another meeting
<liisamk> Karen: for other colleagues within our orgs who might want to attend, they will have to get accounts
<liisamk> ...inviting guests or others has a bit of a process, can put them in touch with Karen
<liisamk> ...to get through the steps
<Karen> To invite other people into TPAC meetings, need registrations, easiest way is to contact Karen
<Liisa> Thank you, Karen on that remark
<Liisa> Thank you, co-chairs are welcome to hear from you