Meeting minutes
<koalie> Previous (2020-08-18)
BLM statement status update
<koalie> Coralie: formal objection resolution progressing
<koalie> ... Ralph is the Director's delegate in charge
<koalie> ... Kim Crayton may give us advice
<koalie> ... thanks to all who weighed in on the thread in the formal objection resolution
<koalie> Judy: I'd like to weigh in on Marisa's good summary
<koalie> ... May I still comment on the thread despite deadline passed?
<koalie> CM: I suggest if you can, that you share your feedback and let ralph take it or not
<Zakim> tzviya, you wanted to ask about Kim Crayton feedback?
Tzviya: Leonie said we get feedback just on the statement
… but I would be interested in hearing her views about everything
… even if it means going back to the AC
Coralie: I concur
Judy: I would caution getting definitive feedback from any one person
… makes it increasingly complicated
Coralie: We are aware of timing issue
… process is long
… aiming for sweet spot between external review and another AC review cycle
… acknowledging that we are late
Dan: I have immense respect for Kim's feedback
… her response might be to look for an appropriate consulting fee
… concerned about gating it to her feedback
Diversity fund update, applications framework
Coralie: Wanted to discuss application framework
… I've received no feedback
… one week left
… will know soon about possibility to pay for elderly/child care
… MIT can not reimburse this
… checking with ERCIM
Action updates
<koalie> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-idcg/2020Sep/0000.html
Judy: Making W3C more welcoming
… wiki based discussion
… some top level statements
… now a home page that reflects some of those
… long list of individual actions
<Judy> https://github.com/w3c/idcg/wiki
Judy: general wiki ^^
… subpages for welcoming; learning and discussions
… outreach and messaging
… Coralie working on "w3C message to accompany publication of (BLM) statement"
… can we set milestones on actions?
… manage it that way
Coralie: I created specific action for introductory blurb for BLM statement
… intend to proceed alone (at first), then seek feedback
… For milestones for actions, I would leave it up to the people
… you could do it for your subgroup
… you said you worked on this in late July
… but I did not open links
… did you want to summarize?
Judy: I suggest proceeding down issue list
… my impression is that we stalled in August
… would like to regain momentum
… pockets of activity
<Zakim> tzviya, you wanted to ask about additional resources for reading list
<tzviya> https://github.com/w3c/PWETF/blob/master/ReferencesAndResources.md
Tzviya: Reading list ^^
… added article Tess sent around
… I really recommend
<koalie> Issue-16: Curate reading lists
Tzviya: we need articles about sexism
… we only have about racism and harassment
… want to reorganize the list
<Judy> https://github.com/w3c/idcg/wiki/Learning-and-Discussion
Judy: Might be useful to point to learning and discussion
… reading list on page
… also companion activities
… drive discussion
… encourage groups
… Vagner had commented that we should track outcomes
… so this page shows some outcomes
… little done to date
<Judy> https://github.com/w3c/idcg/wiki/Learning-and-Discussion#status
Coralie: since we are only 9 people, and some are not here to debrief if we go down the issue list
<Judy> [JB: ...except starting to populate the reading list, but will need companion actions to get people discussing and using the materials]
Coralie: does anyone here want to debrief, summarize, or seek help?
[crickets]
Coralie: I've sorted issue list by last activity
Tzviya: We are at the end of our formal agenda
… I sense this meeting wants us to do something
… not sure how to move forward
… we are accustomed to creating issue lists
… but it's harder when we want to drive social change
… what can we actually do?
… stagnated issue lists will not get us there
… Twitter discussion concluded no sexism at W3C
… not really true
… how do we actually get the word out?
… Tess' masculine defaults article was interesting
… institutions may themselves be sexist
… in a Tenure track university there might be equal time off for child rearing
… but then men continue their writing and women care for the children
… looks equal, but actually advances men
… how can we actually promote equity at W3C?
<Zakim> Judy, you wanted to mention https://github.com/w3c/idcg/wiki/Learning-and-Discussion#sub-actions as an example of companion actions to promote change and action
Judy: I may be an anomaly
… worked with many social change groups
… so I am not working from a GH list of unrelated topics
… interested in learning and discussion
… what is a reading list worth unless we vet it as applicable to W3C
… need to promote discussion
… discussion must also be outside of CG
… W3C has a huge footprint
… international context
… fill gaps in reading list and push it out
<Zakim> DKA_, you wanted to suggest an action we can take along side of https://github.com/w3c/idcg/issues/11
Dan: I appreciate Tzviya's injection of energy
… inspired me to look down the list
… what can we do?
… I've been involved in Global Diversity CFP day
… distributed event for people from underrepresented groups
… make proposals to speak
… get mentored by experienced people
… write bio; conference talk proposal; what types of events; topics; ideas
… we should run a distributed workshop
… in line with issue #11
… how to get started in standards
… promote it to underrepresented groups
… "standards, participation, diversity day"
… I could help organize
<tzviya> +1 to DKA_ 's idea
WendyR: +1 to Dan's idea - lots of fun
<koalie> +1 to DKA
WendyR: Tzviya mentioned Twitter discussion; Tess' pointer to an article
… aligns to my new WG getting started
… CEPC
… alternate workmodes; how do we accommodate
<DKA_> Global Diversity CFP Day: https://www.globaldiversitycfpday.com/
WendyR: Twitter discussion highlighted it
… some people thrive speaking their mind in W3C/q+ structure
… unfazed by community of experts
… but some don't
… working well is culturally a north american male default
… not necessarily in other cultures
… in some countries you cannot speak up before your boss
… I plan to do more research
… half of my members are Japanese (for my WG)
… I don't speak Japanese; although my co-chair does
… we need to break the NA default
Jeff: +1 in particular to what Judy said: let's expand our advocates beyond this group
… W3M agrees
… We've asked Wendy to speak at the W3C Advisory Committee meeting next month
… one of the questions is what are the messages?
… the biggest D&I problem we have in W3C is we don't have enough D&I
… most of our participants are designated by their AC reps
… deputizing the AC to extend the reach of this group is to my mind the most powerful way to create social change
… I haven't prepared talking points for AC reps
<DKA_> +1 to encouraging the AC to become a part of this effort.
Jeff: but this sounds useful to help Wendy with in the next several weeks
<Zakim> tzviya, you wanted to respond to jeff__
Tzviya: Most important message to the AC is that W3C has huge diversity and inclusion issues
… if you don't believe; realize that most AC reps are men
… that effects how W3C works
… W3C is setting standards for the entire web so we need diversity supporting this
… AC rep must appoint a diverse set of participants
… maybe Wendy should emphasize this
… we need to recognize our biases
… and take action to change
Judy: Message to the AC should be multi-faceted
… many organizations are aware of diversity issues
… in W3C; in their own orgs
… collective set of resources are missing
… we can promote engagement in IDCG
… well vetted set of things to learn from; actions such as mentoring
… like to encourage parallel actions in community
… partly I'm modeling this from accessibility
… we bring people together
… we can do here
… Wendy can help convey
WendyR: I like the message
WendyR: AoB question
… are we sending the statement to Kim Crayton this week?
Coralie: Yes.
… Tobie intends to write to her
… this week
… meanwhile we are on hold
[adjourned]