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<jamesn> https://github.com/w3c/accname/issues/89
<jcraig> https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1312
<jcraig> https://github.com/w3c/accname/pull/88
jamesn: Bryan had something he
wanted to talk about re white space in Accname
... do we need a deep dive right away, or should we gather
opinions in an issue, and have a deep dive if necessary
Matt_King: can you give an example of where whitespace specs differ
<jamesn> https://github.com/w3c/accname/issues/55
bryan: it boils down to the recursion, so I need to understand (at least today) what exactly "whitespace" means
jamesn: There are 5 different definitions for whitespace in 5 different specs, and we need to pick one of them
Matt_King: is there one of these definitions that accname seems to imply?
bryan: not sure. there was an issue where newline characters broke up names
Matt_King: need to get data from browsers - are there any places where browsers break and need to be changed?
jamesn: perhaps there isn't much difference in the end. html spec includes newline, but css definition doesn't
bryan: includes weird things like
non-breaking space characters
... I will go through the various specs and write down the
differences in the issue
... I just need to understand what it is, so that I can make
sure the algorithm is ok
jamesn: I don't think we need a deep dive for this (yet). We need a topic
carmacleod: Trees?
Matt_King: I can be available in 2 weeks
jamesn: Trees again in 2 weeks
https://github.com/w3c/core-aam/issues/78
aaronlev: we were fixing another
bug where if you have a button with aria-haspopup, then Chrome
gives role menubutton
... correction: for menuitem that has a parent of group gets
role menubutton
... only difference was on mac
... didn't make sense because menubutton always opens menu -
why does a menuitem in group open menu?
jcraig: looked into this - nobody
can remember why, but it's probably because menuitems in
menubar are menubuttons
... discussion is scheduled for tomorrow. If nobody objects,
I've recommended that this change to something that makes more
sense moving forward
Matt_King: how is menuitem with aria-haspopup different in a menubar different from menuitem with aria-haspopup in a menu?
jcraig: menubars are always exposed, so multiple buttons are available on the screen at once. In menu, only one is exposed
Matt_King: I don't think it's a problem, but it's a weird inconsistency in the sense that a menubar is basically just a menu, so it supports all of the keyboard affordances that a menu does (i.e. pressing first letter goes to item, etc)
jcraig: maybe the difference is that on Windows, there are many menubars, and on Mac, there's only the one
aaronlev: there's no rule in
webkit that I can see that says that a menubutton in a menubar
should be exposed as menubuttons
... I saw them being exposed as menuitem
... are we getting rid of menubutton completely? or are we
changing how it works?
Matt_King: if a menuitem is in a group, it should be a menuitem (and not a menubutton)
aaronlev: we all agree on that
jcraig: we agree on first issue that menuitem in group is not menubutton. Need to open a separate issue for thinking about whether menuitem in menubar is menubutton.
aaronlev: some part of confusion is that MSAA on windows has separate role for menubutton
Matt_King: looking at editor
menubar example in apg with safari/VO, and for each of the
menuitems in the menubar, VO says collapsed button
... also, menuitem in group is announced as collapsed button
(regular button, not menubutton)
aaronlev: need to
investigate
... want to point out that sometimes menuitem in menubar
doesn't have a popup - it's just a button
jcraig: opening issue now
jamesn: this is all open 1.3 issues that are not assigned to a project (sorted by oldest first)
<jamesn> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/350
<jcraig> #78 menubutton follow-on issue filed as #80 https://github.com/w3c/core-aam/issues/80
carmacleod: Landmarks - user agents SHOULD provide landmark navigation
jamesn: make a PR and we'll
see
... back to 1.3 triage
... need a 4-way slider
Matt_King: 1.4?
... sounds like more work for browsers than spec
jamesn: used for color picker
Matt_King: really only 2 dimensions, so only 2 values (even though called a 4-way slider)
jamesn: both directions have different maxes and mins
<jcraig> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/input/color
jamesn: currently just use aria-valuetext with aria-roledescription - kind of a hack
jcraig: would be nice to have
other examples where this would be used - not just color
picker
... If you don't specify a value, the default is #000000, which
is black. The value must be in seven-character hexadecimal
notation, meaning the "#" character followed by two digits each
representing red, green, and blue, like this: #rrggbb. If you
have colors that are in any other format (such as CSS color
names or CSS color functions such as rgb() or rgba()), you'll
have to convert them to hexadecimal before setting the
value.
Matt_King: my gut still says this is a 1.4 issue
jamesn: already moved it
<jcraig> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/494
jamesn: everyone please go through the 1.3 issues and if you see any that can be closed or moved to 1.4, please do!
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