A11Y Functional Needs

09 Jul 2020


JakeAbma, CharlesHall, MichaelC, David_Fazio, I, have, a, kind, of, update, also, Joshue108
ad hoc
MichaelC, Joshue108


Check in on work to date

<MichaelC> scribe: MichaelC

ch: updated goals, comments from Jeanne, replied in doc

first draft of master list complete

started looking into new research in intersectional needs between disability and race

think that needs bringing into our thinking

<Joshue108> git it

ja: exploring relationship of guidelines, user needs, scoring

as part of a user need functional outcome framework

pretty complex

have discussed conclusions with Michael and Jeanne

Jeanne likes it but wants fast results and a simple scoring proposal

not having complete framework but already talking about conformance and scoring is a challenge

<JakeAbma> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yTpbJFsaadIbCigV15YK6bWB4xk_MoOgREjGMHHMVgQ/edit#gid=1983238719

today started new experiment ^

I´d like to work from a complete user needs list

what Charles has done is looking pretty good

want to think through how we create functional outcomes and how they relate to guidelines

for now using color contrast as an experiment / way of thinking through

guidelines -> user needs -> functional outcomes -> methods

and tags

tried to fit into the adjectival rating approach

pretty difficult, pandora´s box

worked into method

adjectival ratings kinda map to the conformance levels in WCAG 2

instead of having boundary at a certain level, we have 5 to play with

using current WCAG criteria for now

ultimately a group of functional outcomes would be a guideline

will need to think how functional outcomes come from user needs

joc: how do functional outcomes relate to general requirements?


ch: there is a draft definition of functional outcomes

df: think we´re asking too much out of the scoring proposal

think maturity model allows us to pull in the needs coming from other subgroups

and tie back to scoring

work mode

<inserted> scribe: Joshue108

MC: We agreed to bi weekly calls

Should it be weekly?

+1 to weekly

<CharlesHall> +1

David - if I get a heads up.

MC: Ok - lets do that.
... I wanted to discuss how this relates to the work of other groups

We need to decide what our deliverables are

And when Silver will deliver that.

Also how it relates to other way work.

Charles has good user needs and goals that we should look at.

DOn't have much time at the mo.

But would like Charles to present that work.

What are we producing? Master list of functional needs is one.

SOme of Jakes work is integrated with deliverables in this group.

JOC: Can you explain?

Jake is using functional needs and mapping them to units of Silver and units of Silver COnformance

MC: ANy disaagreement that the natural list of functional needs is a deliverable.


JA: Is it on your radar, or supposed after master list of user needs that the group will be focussing on out comes and mapping them to use list?

MC: I guess both

Many to many relationship


<CharlesHall> roughly functional needs > {n} functional outcomes > {n} methods

CH: This is what I think

<Fazio> I wonder if outcomes differ by task

<Fazio> I suspect they might

MC: One to many - not many to many?

DF: If we are doing this by task like WCAG 3..

depending on task the outcomes may differ and will get super complicated


<MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/Functional_Needs_Subgroup

MC: The Silver func needs wiki page, I'll add list of upcoming meetings with agenda

please add


MC: Please send to the list, your thoughts and questions for us to consider before next meeting

Goals and definitions

Also Charles can you talk about goals and definitions..

CH: THe goals are at the top - to habe a working definiton for consensis for funtional needs and outcomes

Editorial method and style guide for describing functional needs

use / usage

Need to capture what has been considered

Unique context - for directional mapping => context => technologies

Outcome of work needs to be in evergreen doc that can be referenced by other groups

MC: Please comment on list etc.

<CharlesHall> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eJkgXqbh7dx3uD6XAy8XAANmwfbbVZ5GKb_gbsUdkVs/edit?usp=sharing

Next steps

<inserted> scribe: MichaelC

Review goals and definitions

Review master list of functional needs

Raise questions in gdoc or mailing list

ja: need functional outcome to be more granular / specific

<CharlesHall> +1 to specificity, but that impacts scale

df: that´s why we have tasks

ja: not sure we´ll wind up there

need to think things through more

<CharlesHall> note: all of this is a draft to have this conversation

ch: ^

<scribe> chair: ad hoc

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