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David: Let's go into the meeting

Trimming changes on #412

<chaals> [+1 to the proposed change for reducing the change history]

Florian: I made a PR to make the change

David: Right thing to do

<fantasai> +1 to the change

David: objections?
... agreed on 24 June
... issue closed.

PR #413

<chaals> [It's really handy to have *somewhere* a collection of the changelogs. But they don't need to be in the document itself beyond the last full version, IMHO]

Fantasai: We decided to rename proposed changes to candidate changes
... the ones under review would be proposed changes
... clear terminology
... simple

David: Questions or comments?
... useful

<chaals> [+1 to nomenclature]

David: agreed
... I ask the editor to merge immediately.
... Chaals, your comment about changelogs?

Chaals: It is useful to look at collected changelogs
... instead of spelunking spec by spec

David: Trivial to put accumulated changelog in GH repo

Fantasai: Sufficient to link back to previous one from current one.

David: Tedious

Fantasai: Usually I'm looking at text; not changelog

Florian: If changelogs are kept together it is complicated when terminology changes

<wseltzer> [We could just append all past changelogs to a documentation page]

David: Let's not rathole
... Changelog should be since last document

<chaals> [this is a rathole, let's skip it. It's not life or death it is convenience for users]

David: Florian can look at how to handle accumulated changelog

Florian: I'm not volunteering

Chaals: My life is short
... I will occasionally just do something else and avoid the extra work required to hunt down changes

Florian: Build is almost done, we can stop the rathole

David: Wendy, any update on #403 from PSIG

Wendy: They approved a new PP; they were given the opportunity to look at issues including #403.

Florian: I converted the PP to bikeshed
... Wendy, please look at it when I am done.

Wendy: PSIG approved sending the PP to the AC for approval.

<florian> https://w3c.github.io/w3process/

David: Florian, url to P2020

Florian: ^^

David: Proposed: The W3C Process CG resolves to send Process 2020 to W3M, AB, AC for approval
... comments?

<fantasai> +1

+1

<cwilso> +1

<dsinger_> +1

<wseltzer> +1

<tink> +1

<florian> +1

RESOLUTION: The W3C Process CG approves sending Process 2020 to W3M, AB, AC, and approval

<tink> +1 to thanks to PSIG.

David: Thanks to Elika, Florian, PSIG

<chaals> +1 to thanks to PSIG

<wseltzer> jeff: second all the expressions of gratitude, and thanks to David for chairing

<wseltzer> ... it's on the AB agenda next week

Florian: Change section will be helpful

Next Meeting

<wseltzer> jeff: we should set a realistic schedule for what we want to accomplish

<wseltzer> ... we'd talked about edit for readability + Registries

<wseltzer> ... need to do a realistic triage and community consensus

David: We have 71 issues in our DB

Florian: We have 4-6 weeks of ballots in the AC
... do we just freeze for now?
... or work in parallel which means some branching.

Jeff: We should start working immediately on triaging what we want to get done

David: Please no PRs for now

Fantasai: We have director-free, horizontal review

David: Clear task to look at PRs and issues
... welcome offline discussion
... some may get closed
... please look at 8 PRs and 71 issues
... need more from the AC
... astonishing how little we got this year

Jeff: Please ask the entire Process CG mailing list to re-engage on PRs, issues prioritization

David: Shall I build a table with this?

Florian: Unclear. You can try.

David: Can GH export issue to CSV file

PLH: We can

David: Talk to me offline

PLH: Only takes 30 minutes

Florian: Let's not point people to tip of the tree
... let's create a dated snapshot for formal ballot

David: I assumed someone will

Florian: I will

PLH: We'll put that on the website

David: For 2021 please give me a wiki list of PRs and issues

PLH: Will do.
... in GH wiki

Wendy: I propose closing some of the stale PRs
... some have no agreement
... I invite the chair to back us out of the detail
... e.g. the HR review reqts detail

Leonie: I think I will close that PR
... I need to pick through comments and threads
... but we have an unhelpful nonprescriptive process
... and HR is floundering
... editors, chairs, and TCs want more clarity

Wendy: Happy to work with you, PLH, and team
... put small pieces into process

Leonie: Great

<plh> ACTION: plh to transform the issues for further triage

David: Some regrets for the 8th
... 22nd conflicts with AB meeting
... suggest we move to the 15th
... objections?
... I will announce that

<dsinger_> 8th and 22nd moved to the 15th, grand triage day

David: GRAND TRIAGE DAY

AoB

<chaals> [good night.]

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