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Personalization Task Force Teleconference

08 Jun 2020

Attendees

Present
JF, janina, becky, sharon, CharlesL, Roy
Regrets
Chair
LisaSeeman
Scribe
janina

Contents


<LisaSeemanKest> clear agenda

<LisaSeemanKest> scribe: janina

<scribe> scribe: janina

changes to the document

<LisaSeemanKest> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/edits07062020/content/index.html

ls: New version as of today
... Believe everything we discussed except Janina's changes to the Intro

<LisaSeemanKest> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/edits07062020/content/index.html#symbol-explanation

ls: Discussion of symbols moved up top
... also the conjugated example with the explanation
... believes we have the same info, though the changes required slight changes

jf: Confused by the code example

ls: Hmm, think we've had that error for some time

jf: why symbols to a graphic file? I'm unclear why?
... Don't expect we want alternative text?

ls: Old example from a working demo ...
... Some people understand some images, others understand other images
... Some COGa people will do better with familiar symbols, not the picture

jf: 3 pictures describing a picture?

ls: yes
... "are not part ..." is the only new phrasing

cl: Also helpful when someone is learning a symbolic language

jf: Noting we need to clean up our markup!

ls: Indeed, how was it there so long so broken?

cl: asks about space following alt=

jf: will supply corrected code, include using png rather than gif

<JF> Example 11: <img src="cuptea.png" alt="cup of Tea" data-symbol="13621 12324 17511" alt="cup of Tea"/>

bg: generally we mean replace, but here not?
... AT decision based on user need how it's replaced or used

<JF> Example 12: <img src="her-name.png" alt="שמה" data-symbol="15691 + 14707"/>

jf: put it in more common authoring order, removed extra spaces, etc. etc

ls: asks if we're ok with glossary change?

cl: has a uestion before that ...
... ex 9 ^ 10; suggest change order -- oh, maybe not!
... do like the ordering

<LisaSeemanKest> When there is more than one concept that are not part of a single conjugated term, multiple concepts can be referenced by separating them with white space. The order of multiple concepts should be the same as used in typical speech in the natural language of the content.

ss: "need" should be "needed" first para

bg: also "without" sans space

jf: Asks whether full editorial review
... volunteers

<JF> ACTION JF to do redline editorial review of https://raw.githack.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/edits07062020/content/index.html#symbol-explanation

<trackbot> Created ACTION-61 - Do redline editorial review of https://raw.githack.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/edits07062020/content/index.html#symbol-explanation [on John Foliot - due 2020-06-15].

ls: also section 2 where we have terms ...

jf: add a definition for symbolics?

js: Strong +1

jf: suggests we all read for such tweaks

cl: notes we need to add "is normative" or "is not normative" persection

js: suggests review for terms to define based on our audience
... apologies and explains github cli confusion that prevented my edits
... expect by wednesday

[discussion of process]

ansewring remaining issues https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues

ls: notes other edits sent to list on i18n and tag responses
... are we OK
... when to send?

js: Suggests we clean up and stabalize before forwarding to tag

ls: asks jf about time for ed review assuming content in by wednesday

jf: can do friday am

<LisaSeemanKest> ACTION: john editorial review symbols - add to glossary add :this section is non normative by friday this week

<trackbot> Created ACTION-62 - Editorial review symbols - add to glossary add :this section is non normative by friday this week [on John Foliot - due 2020-06-15].

cl: two issues

cl; ex 4 and 5

cl: entities; extra slash

<LisaSeemanKest> https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/144

ls: I drafted a reponse, but i see now i answered the wrong question

jf: we put metada at the element level; they're talking doc level
... asks cl about schema.org -- can we leverage?

cl; yes; we got it added

cl: also accessmode where we might add symbols to list of values

jf: shouldn't we say 'aac' ?
... notes all we're doing in p13n is for alternative communications

<LisaSeemanKest> This is an interesting point. we will looking into adding an access mode metadata terms like "aac".

cl: we need metadata in head per their question; we should consider wht we need and go to schema
... correction, we don't need schema, because they don't care about values
... i can bring this up in dpub

<LisaSeemanKest> This is an interesting point. We will also look into adding an access mode metadata term like "aac" via digital publishing .

bg: why is this an issue? why we're not relying on underlying tech

<LisaSeemanKest> This is an interesting point. We will also look into adding an access mode metadata term like "aac" via digital publishing .

ls: suggests i18n response we're looking into it
... then add to issues

jf: believe q is will there be an impact when directionality is declared; so in the translation
... will that happen with symbols? is that expected?
... seems it's about processing engines

<LisaSeemanKest> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-personalization-tf/2020Jun/0011.html

<LisaSeemanKest> Our use cases is to map between symbol sets in the same natural language. We are not enabling consistent translation for different symbol sets across different natural languages at this time.

<LisaSeemanKest> Our use cases is to map between symbol sets in the same natural language. We are not enabling consistent translation for different symbol sets across different natural languages at this time.

jf: suggest also we're looking to add another page level value via schema.org

<JF> +1

<LisaSeemanKest> ackl

cl: want to go back to becky's q
... for dicoverability is one reason

bg: believe some of that's already on page; so tyeing it all together?

cl: google doesn't search on element metadata

jf: becomes a search term

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: john editorial review symbols - add to glossary add :this section is non normative by friday this week
 

Summary of Resolutions

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