<LisaSeemanKest> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1G2L1cAN8AalVpolcPdgzj6BVA4wEFc70On0gQjk7d1c/edit#
<LisaSeemanKest> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1G2L1cAN8AalVpolcPdgzj6BVA4wEFc70On0gQjk7d1c/edit?usp=sharing
<LisaSeemanKest> (for wcag edit - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1G2L1cAN8AalVpolcPdgzj6BVA4wEFc70On0gQjk7d1c/edit?usp=sharing)
<LisaSeemanKest> other issues: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fc7TI8V6dNgFrD6wzGR8CjbbtO7Az0U-zYylrRSy8QQ/edit
<LisaSeemanKest> (for wcag edit - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1G2L1cAN8AalVpolcPdgzj6BVA4wEFc70On0gQjk7d1c/edit?usp=sharing)
<Rachael> scribe: Fazio
LS: AGWG had a lot of comments about Content Usable Ddoc in response to CFC survey. We need to address the comments
SL: Focus on changes that a will stop it from being blocked
<david-macdonald> Would be glad to join call, but can't seem to get access to call information.
LS: Makae changes after AGWG provides list of requested changes
<david-macdonald> seems like my passward has not beenngiven access
<david-macdonald> if youndrop the zoom link and pwd hear I can jump in otherwise I would need to be given access to COGA owd
LS: can publish Content Usable doc as an AP note instead of AGWG, but it's more advantageous to publish through AGWG
<kirkwood> I wouldn’t be comfortable moving away from AG
<stevelee> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2020AprJun/0329.html
SL: q+
<Rachael> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1y3Aq5FkExuk_tJ9hIV8W7wiIlHf8LYOeM6ByFVbwiHU/edit#gid=0
RM: APA option is good backup, but AGWG process is best, should try and make it work first
<Rachael> Fazio: Is it only one person objecting?
<Rachael> Rachael: No, more than one.
<Rachael> ...multiple people support.
<Rachael> Fazio: Concern about government. This is guidance and clearly guidance. We can't control the end use.
<Rachael> Steve: also suprised by the concern. thought it was clear.
LS: APA alternative provides some leverage
I'm in APA too!
LS: doesn't want language that preclude policy makers from using the doc in legislation
+1
LS; structure of having Design Guide in beginning might be making it too similar to WCAG
Readability is, and should not be, big issue
<kirkwood> readbility is very complex
<EA> +1 to what Steve has just said
SL: agrees design pattern placement may be the issue
<Rachael> Fazio: Is it the design patterns or the location of them?
<Rachael> Rachael: Think there is support for the patterns just tone
<kirkwood> agree Rachael in support of design patterns
<Rachael> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1y3Aq5FkExuk_tJ9hIV8W7wiIlHf8LYOeM6ByFVbwiHU/edit#gid=0
RM: Policy Makers Appendix was objected too
<EA> academically we are not meant to have references in an abstract, only in the main document.
LS: we were aware policy section wasn't mature. Open to modifying it
<kirkwood> +1 to “considerations for Policy Makers”
<Rachael> I believe this is the updated version: https://raw.githack.com/w3c/coga/responces-to-cfc-april-2020/content-usable/index.html#design_for_everyone
<LisaSeemanKest> chages in https://docs.google.com/document/d/1G2L1cAN8AalVpolcPdgzj6BVA4wEFc70On0gQjk7d1c/edit#
<LisaSeemanKest> (change list
<Rachael> Accessibility has traditionally focused on the making the user interface usable for people with sensory and physical impairments in vision, hearing and/or mobility. Some accessibility features that help these user groups also help people with cognitive impairments. People with cognitive and learning disabilities also need improvements to context, language, usability, and other more general factors that impact everyone to some degree. As a result, they
<Rachael> do not fit well into traditional accessibility standards.
<kirkwood> sorry could link to where we are talking about?
<Rachael> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1y3Aq5FkExuk_tJ9hIV8W7wiIlHf8LYOeM6ByFVbwiHU/edit#gid=0 row 6
<Rachael> or https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/2020-04-content-usable/results question 4
<Rachael> FAzio: Needs to have people with disabilities weigh in.
<kirkwood> can we work on editing for consensus amongst us?
Silver undermines its credibility
SL: "Just because I cannot speak doesn't mean I don't have anything to say" - Developmentally disabled community
+1 oops that was me not SL
RM; Tone shift needed, softening language, changing failure wording
editors call?
<LisaSeemanKest> chages in https://docs.google.com/document/d/1G2L1cAN8AalVpolcPdgzj6BVA4wEFc70On0gQjk7d1c/edit#
<kirkwood> going through review process. need to editors call next week. agree with that
<Rachael> FAzio: suggest addressing the language in the single sentence that caused issue
<Rachael> Process 1: Ask WCAG to bring the list of changes in order of how important they are
I don't want to be told what to do by AGWG
<kirkwood> could we put two processes in IRC
<Rachael> Process 2: We address the comments that come in and suggest fixes.
<kirkwood> I am willing too, Steve
Process 2
<kirkwood> process 2
<stevelee> process 1
<kirkwood> don’t know if we will get it from them, will we?
<JohnRochford> process 1
<kirkwood> switch to process 1
<kirkwood> ;)
<EA> yes I have not voted as I am worried about it all
<EA> +1 to them doing it if they do come back and allow us to make it happen in the way we want
<kirkwood> i wonder if we really can get them to do it. agree with lisa
<JohnRochford> Lisa makes a great point. John Rochford switches his vote to process 2.
<Rachael> Melding of 1 and 2: AG prioritizes and consolidates comments. Then COGA suggests fixes
<kirkwood> +1
<stevelee> +1
<EA> +1
<JohnRochford> +1
<kirkwood> well done Rachael!
<EA> Thank you R
<stevelee> +1000
Resolution is a melding process of 1 and 2
RESOLUTION: AG prioritizes and consolidates comments. Then COGA suggests fixes.
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