<jasonjgw> zakim clear agenda
<jasonjgw> zakim clear agenda
<scribe> scribe: scott_h
Introducitons to our new RQTF member
first Janina as Chair of APA
josh: hi Sonali - I"m emerigng web specialist at W3C
ex-co ahri of WCAG WG, owrkign a long time
Steve - hi Sonali, work full-time at Pearson, education company with school assessment divison
judy: good to see you Sonali, we'd met at CSUN. I'm the Director of W3C WAI
includes WCAG 2.2, 3.0 work
<Joshue108> SH: I wear different hats, as an academic and not for profit sector.
<Joshue108> Great to have you Sonali.
Scott- hi Sonali, I'm Scott Hollier from Perth, AUstralia
I'man academic andod some accessibility work and consultancy in the NFP sector
jason: hi Sonali, I"m Jason the convenor of this grup
I'm invooed in web standards work, starting int he 1990s
Sonali: I"ve ben at RNIB for 10 years, work on media and arts accessibility
VOD providers, museums. Purpose: improivng vieiwng experience for people with sight loss
Part of project making 360 videos accessible
<Joshue108> https://www.imac-project.eu
jason: remote meeting falls into two parts
1) best advice for condut and preparation for teleconference-style meetings
2) trying to o connect the work to W3C guidance and draft RTC User Requirements
can we connect these up?
judy: I have some thoughts
I"ve been looking at guidnace form other organisations, some good matierlas from Partnership with Employment, telewrk guidnace
what we ahve so far are some for hosts, some W3C gdiance, some application/platform level,
Scott had added in some sector guidance for education
and I"m starting to understand work in this space is massive and urgent
for me - we should lead by talking about relevance form published guidelines
i.e. WCAG, authoring tols, user agents, RTC
and reverse order of what's in the remote meetings page
Reverse order
ALso some discussion with Zoom supporting RTC
One possibility: do a separate document, public interface
we can do that within this document
One point of struggle: really want one thing people can point ot to give overall view on wwhat's in this space
Janina: like what you're saying about speaking to our strengths,
one of the things we want to promote is interoperability
We have that to some degree with web browser of choice,
but if its an extension we don't know how good it'll be
Bysupporitng RTC there's less devleopment,
It's also part of our core stuff and would be good to slide it in there
judy: adding seciton now about capturing bugs
janina: and standards support
judy: I"m adding the secitons in
janina: common story, e.g. e-mails. Now needs to be with teleconference clients
jason: idea of reordering material and clarifiying with what's being created in teh RAUR
and referring to toher resources, guidance
judy: revising the purpose
in relation to bugs, how to handle being vendor-neutraul?
jason: could make it a general place to report
judy: looking at design properties to promote, are there others along with interoperability
janina: side-benefit: if you are supporitng RTC
josh: challenge is recognising is where the control is , e.g. live subtitling
get the point also what 'good' looks like: what's sufficient?
judy: if I have two hours, would you review?
scott: what leve of review do you
nee?
... happy to review
jason: basically its qa review that you'd only object ot if there was a major issue
<scribe> ACTION: Janina, Jason and Scott agreed to review for Judy when Judy has completed updates
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<Zakim> janina, you wanted to reinforce importance of interoperability -- ergo WebRTC -- less work for developers
Jason: receiving comments on two working drafts,
1) XAUR
2) RAUR
both under public review as first public working drafts
we're looking at comments received
judy: could we save a few mintues about organising at the end?
<Joshue108> 4.5 Interaction and target customization
jasoN; yes
<Joshue108> https://github.com/w3c/apa/issues/87
josh: 4.5 interaction and target customisation
useful for people with tunnel vision and multiple disabilities such as mobility
about expanding out the requirement
<Joshue108> https://www.w3.org/TR/xaur/#interaction-and-target-customization
user with limited mobility may need ot hit larger target:
The comment made the point that this would be useful for other groups, not just mobility
Sonali: looking at a broader user case,
e.g. apps - if you need simultaneous action if buttons are well spaced and good sized,
could be useful
Not really needing additional UR, just expanding scope
<Joshue108> Makes sense to expand this out for other user groups.
janina: do we see a use case where you need to hit multiple buttons? sticky keys?
Sonali: 4C - not needing ot hit multiple keys
judy: useful for physcial disabilities as well
josh: thanks helps to expand, and janina also expands
<Joshue108> JOC: This would be very useful for a range of users, and +1 to the Sticky keys use case also :-)
josh: issue 88 -
<Joshue108> https://github.com/w3c/apa/issues/88
<Joshue108> 4.6 Voice commands #88
voice command
user need: limited mobility needs voice commands to navigate XR
to ensure navigation can be controlled b in XR
The comment - also good for people with sight loss,
1) voice activaiton should use native screen readers
rather than external devices, avoid need to pair devices
janina: not sure what's native - e.g. is 'ok google' native?
<Joshue108> Suggested requirement 5b: Voice activation should preferably use native screen readers / voice assistants rather than external devices to eliminate the additional step needed to pair devices.
<Judy> [JB: Thinks that we need to write up a performable version of a use case on this!]
janina: needs to fit into mainstream to write the skill to tie into a digital assistant,
API doens't need to be something specific for the screen reader
Sonali: going back to why - accessing IMAC player would have voice control through Alexa, but did not work for end users
as they kept asking 'why can't I use my screen reader?'
janina: screen raders don't usually suport voice control
jason: recent work by Apple on using voice input to control entire machine, haven't integrated with screen reader
these should be better integrated
could we sort out the use caes?
integrating the different assistive technology services?
<Zakim> Joshue, you wanted to ask what the user need is here? It seems like it is around pairing devices?
josh: general issue around the integration of AT with generic devices in teh envrionment
another user need around now environment support a user without the overhead - digital assistant, screen reader etc.
Josh Sonali - was pairing devices at the head of it?
sonali: yes,
janina: familarity vs learning something new
perhaps?
josh: yes, part of it
imporant: digital literacy, get the most out of AT
sometimes users don't know rather than access,
but this is important issue - thanks Sonali for flagging it
judy: very quick thing
trying ot bring people into this work, but issue is not having a clear landing page for RQTF
Really need it fixed
premissions issues on the pages
<Joshue108> lets come back to this next week and the new REQ 5c: Feedback to the user must be audible..
<Joshue108> https://github.com/w3c/apa/issues/88
RQTF not clearly showing what we're doign
<Judy> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/research-questions/
Same things for the APA page
but for RQTF, can we fix it?
janina: it's on our list
if you need something for AC, which one?
janina: RQF page?
judy: yes, with current work and current links
might e minor changes
Action - Janina will edit the RQTF page
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