Meeting minutes
Invitation draft
<shadi_> https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/WAI_Curricula/WAI_Curricula_TF/Invitation
Daniel: Shadi sent a template with the invitation. Do we agree with the text? It is an invitation that can be adapted according to the people that you are approaching.
Daniel: We will all start approaching people.
Shadi: We tried to de-emphasise the termninology of W3C and make it more open. They can be also active in reviewing providing comments
Shadi: I tried to point out that it is not only for developers. We also need people specialized in curriculum design. So feel free to adapt it.
Shadi: Daniel and me will take care of how to involve them.
Howard: It is beautiful.
Howard: I know plenty of people that could be interested.
<shadi_> Estella: participate in IMPACT project
<shadi_> ...should we send this to other partners
<shadi_> Shadi: yes, please
<shadi_> Estella: difficult time for universities
Shadi: I believe in Ireland the curriculum is being looked at the National Computer Association. They are already working with the introduction curriculum and it might ne interesting for Donald DCU
Shadi: Not Association but National Computer Society
Learning outcomes discussion
<shadi_> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-curricula/2020Apr/0015.html
Daniel: In previous meetings we concluded that learning outcomes were a bit generic and had to be more detailed and specific
<Daniel> https://deploy-preview-171--wai-curricula.netlify.app/curricula/developing-accessible-content/
In the master plans changes have not been implemented but are on a draft that I am working on
How to refer to success criteria
Daniel: In the previous draft success criteria were in each learning outcome
Daniel: In this new draft there is no mention to learning outcomes
Daniel: Success criteria are not mentioned
Daniel: I am trying to reference success criteria for each learning outcome instead to have them in single bullets
Daniel: Some success criteria will be repeated because approach different learning outcomes and they will be mentioned in brackets
Howard: I try to introduce success criteria earlier. So I do not see anything wrong with it
HOWARD: Some people who are not familiar might not understand at the beginning but I think is ok
Daniel: We also need to have some reference to what we mean with success criteria. I will add this to the current learning outcomes
<shadi_> https://www.w3.org/WAI/tutorials/page-structure/
Shadi: Having this success criteria earlier on could cause confusion to some people. Another approach could be make these links more easy to process like in the link.
<shadi_> https://www.w3.org/WAI/tutorials/page-structure/regions/
Shadi: After learning outcomes we could add a specific success criteria. We should step back and see where and how to introduce success criteria
Shadi: There could be many ways to introduce success criteria and we have to know and look into the use cases
Daniel: This course is for developers and reference to success criteria are important but code is more important.
Shadi: I think that the audience is clear. First audience is people developing curricula and second audience is people procuring courses
Shadi: We have to understand how important is this
Howard: I think that it might be a little bit earlier. I introduce success criteria when I have students looking at webpages and see if features are there. Heading/Footers...Then is when WCAG are needed.
Howard: It might be a little earlier to introduce them already in the learning outcomes
Shadi: These entire curriculum is for people that already had a first introduction and they have already gone with the success criteria
Howards: I am ok with both options
Daniel: This is going to be used for people building courses and procuring courses.
Shadi: I understood too early as too up
Howard: Maybe in teaching ideas you might have a topic or an exercise to link success criteria
+1 to Howard
Howard: I have an exercise where people look at a page and identify the success criteria
Shadi: On the module level it might be better with no success criteria
Shadi: We could say success criteria related criteria related to this module
Shadi: We could say success criteria related related to this module
Daniel: We can cover this also in teaching ideas as Howard does
Shadi: We have to understand what does this module going to teach to introduce. Then we could have too much repetition. In fact, we want to relate success criteria with specific techniques
Next steps
Daniel: We definitely need to go back to the learning outcomes in the future.
Daniel: Would you be able to complete a survey if we open it tomorrow EOB and complete it next Monday?
Howard: Should work for me.
Estella: For me also
Daniel: There are two topics that need to be discussed and I can send you an email.
Daniel: Any comments?
Not for me