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Personalization Task Force Teleconference

13 Apr 2020

Attendees

Present
CharlesL, janina, JF, becky, sharon, Roy, Lisa, LisaSeemanKest
Regrets
Sharon
Chair
Lisa
Scribe
CharlesL

Contents


<scribe> scribe: CharlesL

<LisaSeemanKest> scribe: charlesL

explainer resuctured https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-personalization-tf/2020Apr/0003.html

Lisa: will take some time taking up some actions, restructuring of explainer in response to TAG. John was going to work with what Lisa started.

Janina: I think we need to keep moving, sounds like John is busy.

Lisa: John can edit things once we lay out the initial redesign.

<LisaSeemanKest> https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/wiki/restructure-of-the-explainer

Lisa: Becky & Charles oK?

Charles & Becky: Yes.

<LisaSeemanKest> TAGs comments at https://github.com/w3ctag/design-reviews/issues/476

Lisa: first asked us to stick to their template, but we don't need a Stakeholder section, and Vocabulary section are not needed.
... , No boilerplate needed. Concrete examples, but they wanted more and clear sub-headings, want screenshots, mockup and screenshots and we have it we have the demos.
... , technology summary considered alternatives, not sure what authoring is doing in the list. User needs described.
... , I took their boilerplate and stuck things in. More in User needs and more todo items in the wiki.
... , what do people think?

Becky: I think its long, but they are asking for all this maybe its oK to be long and have more examples.

Lisa: my proposal better to be working off something, we need to edit it and stuff that is not explaining what we are doing to help newbies to this work.

<LisaSeemanKest> https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/wiki/restructure-of-the-explainer

Becky: I don't have extra cycles right now as we lost a member of our team unexpectedly.

Lisa: I will reach out to Sharon and John to see if they can look at this to edit this document to make it clearer to make what we are working on for those not familiar to our specification.
... , Charles should write an introductory email to CAST members cc: Lisa & Michael. about our Personalization TF.
... , Lisa has some other folks to send out a recruiting email to folks who may be interested.
... , we have a resolution we should move fwd with it. I will do screen shots and will ask John and Sharon to do some editing to make the document easier to understand
... I18N has created separated issues for us to address individually.
... , Janina when do we need to address all these issues? at the end of CR or before?

Janina: Not sure which probably CR. If any are problematic we should have a conversation with them soon.

Roy: Before CR, if we want to wait to PR we may need to talk to them.

Lisa: Becky/Charles can you take a look at.

Becky: Unicode seems like an easy, we just need to say Not an Issue.

Janina: aren't they in an issue tracker?
... , they are one of the horizontal review, i18N runs it this way, so what we have been doing with APA comes from i18n, so tracking via github, we can do a NOP/close the issue, and we can track that way. If they are still concerned they can reopen the issue.

<LisaSeemanKest> https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/133

Janina: , trying to make all these Horizontal reviews the same way.

Lisa: A Phillips broke them up. draft response has been looked at.
... , Becky do you want to carry on with i18n where these comments are and where we need to follow up.

<LisaSeemanKest> https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues

Becky: Yes, but being able to find things in the w3c.

Lisa: he responded and added a Tag i18N need Resolution.f

Becky: Ok that makes it easy to find.

Janina: we are learning this as well in the APA.

Lisa: Becky you created two new issue #138, #139 (those are responses)

Becky: section-*** we do reference those but we are using the WCAG 2.1, I was going to make the change and put in a PR. I put it as an issue so that we can all agree on this. we need to state this in our spec. because WCAG2.1 did not contain section-*** this close an issue with Joanie and close and issue on our spec. We did discuss in last week or the week before.

Lisa: can we agree on this?

Becky: I think we did agree on this on the last call.

Lisa: we can close this and add an action
... , issue #138 once we make the change to the spec by removing section-*** and linking to WCAG2.1 autofill
... , Added a label to issues #138 & #139 we kinda know what we need to do, just need to do it.
... , "Action Required" is the new Label in GitHub.
... PING has a question.
... , #131 - Lisa will comment, our spec does not include storying the user preferences

<LisaSeemanKest> the third party is the user agent. our specification does not include storing the user preferences.

<LisaSeemanKest> Revealing personal preference information to third-party scripts exposes a fingerprinting surface. Are all personal preferences exposed to third parties or is it limited to the changes that the user is requesting from the third party?

<LisaSeemanKest> (his question

<LisaSeemanKest> add this to the explainer

<LisaSeemanKest> as out of scope?

Charles: from #131 2.15. Does this specification have a "Security Considerations" and "Privacy Considerations" section? No, we will bring this up and reference the following:

Janina: I think this needs to be added as an appendix at the end. There are similar discussions for discoverability maybe invite Josh O'Connor, it can be an evil thing that this information can be both evil/good "Research questions".

Lisa: we are not storing information, but what the UA know that they have personalization preferences.

Becky: a site with a lot of special personalized accommodations, could be used to determine those who use this site may have cognitive disabilities potentially.

<LisaSeemanKest> the third party is the user agent. our specification does not include storing the user preferences. We are not exposing or collecting their preferences. We leave that to the user agent.

<LisaSeemanKest> Do you feel we need a section or appendix on security considerations? Such as inferring that people may have a cognitive disability because they use a site which is more adaptable by user agents

Lisa: inferring that a person may have a cognitive disability if they use a particular site or not.

Janina: could facilitate the ability to infer a disability.

<LisaSeemanKest> Such as by facilitate the inference that people may have a cognitive disability - because they use a site which is more adaptable by user agents.

May facilitate the inference that users have a cognitive disability - because they use a site which is more adaptable by user agents.

Janina: if you want an intro, we can add Josh to join us for 1/2 hour to discuss this topic.

Lisa: I can reach out and invite to Josh O'Connor to attend our meeting to discuss Privacy & Security to add a section to our spec.

Janina: Yes thats the process, we are doing the same thing in the APA for other groups specs.
... , need to eat our own dog-food :)

Lisa: Thaddeus, #88 & #89 change of happening is low going into another moduel.

s/modulel/module

scribe: , have a distraction value, "loud noise" "Ping

" flashing light", could add a new term "distressing" violet act / sexual act etc… we could just have them all removed…

<LisaSeemanKest> distressing: Content that may distress some users such as content with a violent, graphic or non-consensual sexual aspect.

Janina: I think we do want to do it at some point, but before we recreate the wheel we should look at how browsers already do this, setting for that maybe parental control, how do they do it already.

Lisa: BBC this clip contains material that could be distressing to some viewers.
... , warning itself can have a negative effect, that it could trigger the negative effect just saying that this content may be distressing reminds the user of the issue they had.
... , this is why I didn't bother going into what the issues may be it is generalized that anything that could be considered distressing to avoid determining what are the specific issues which could be distressing. (violence, shooting, sexual, etc..)

Becky: when I look for images I am searching for "free images" I don't get in appropriate images that there may be relying on tags, or AI etc.
... , I don't explicitly say to avoid that content never the less it doesn't show up by default.

<LisaSeemanKest> ACTION: lisa how do google filter ditesning content, do they on tag?

<trackbot> Created ACTION-52 - How do google filter ditesning content, do they on tag? [on Lisa Seeman-Kestenbaum - due 2020-04-20].

Becky: windows seems to have a content filter.

trackbot, end meeting

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: lisa how do google filter ditesning content, do they on tag?
 

Summary of Resolutions

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