AGENDA ITEM: Final call https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/461 |

Wilco: only one rule in final call for 2 weeks

AGENDA ITEM: Rules ready for W3C publication https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/1120 |

Joining W3C Community Slack? https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/1252 |

Wilco: W3C unveiled a slack channel for community groups
... do we want to join?
... we have one but it is invite only, with reduced visibility

Jean-Yves: it's a good idea to join the W3C slack channel

Emma: people can join mulitple W3C channels

Wilco: accepted
... there'a a link in the issue for people to join the channel
... will send an announcement and create documention

<shadi> w3ccommunity.slack.com

<Jey> https://w3ccommunity.slack.com/archives/C01167KLA73

ACT-R F2F meeting for 2020 https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/1262 |

Wilco: considering a F2F towards the end of 2020, perhaps September

Shadi: W3C technical plenary in October
... could have the CG meeting during

Emma: can't we have the F2F before or after, instead of during

<shadi> https://www.w3.org/2020/10/TPAC/

Shadi: TPAC is in Vancouver, how many of this group would attend?

Wilco: inclined to let the TF do something in TPAC, and the CG have another working session

Jean-Yves: can we do presentations of ACT-rules in TPAC?
... in addition to the working group session

Shadi: we would have people in TPAC that usally do not participate in the CG

Wilco: from this group it would probably be just myself and Shadi
... we could look to co-locate wiht other event in Europe, instead of TPAC

Shadi: WADEX or another event from the commission would be around September or October

Jey: work sessions do accelerate the work

Wilco: we will try to co-locate with WADEX / WAI-Tools

Emma: might be worth to have a contingency, like a seconday date

*secondary

Shadi: or go virtual

Consider renaming the "has acc name" rules to "has non-empty acc name" https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/1220 |

Wilco: this was a suggestion from AG
... this will change a bunch of rules

Jean-Yves: but it's a small change

Wilco: changes accepted

Jean-Yves: will take the PR

Emma: check the wording in the rule itself
... to make sure its consistent

Does WCAG allow combining native and non-native lists? https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/1263 |

Wilco: is is okay to combine native and non-native lists
... is this a WCAG failure?

Emma: I don't think it's a WCAG failure, in the same that it's not an html or aria failure
... but it's horrible code

Carlos: screen-reader will render it

Jean-Yves: yes, but it is not going to be rendered as a list

Wilco: it might be a failure of 1.3.1

Emma: how would Dragon deal with mixing html and aria?

Wilco: what I'm looking for is the parent/child relationship
... this requires a custom-stylesheet, but there is no standard for this
... if you were to require a custom-stylesheet would you account for something like this?

Emma: people writing custom-stylesheets may not know their around css to handle this
... is there anything under section 4 of WCAG related to this?

Wilco: 4.1.1 elements have to be nested according to their specification

Jean-Yes: it is part of the html spec that li cannot be placed anywhere you want

Jean-Yves: first example is not valid html

Emma: and the first technique under 4.1.1 is validate the html

Shadi: it might be worth approaching the low vision T

*TF

Wilco: will take an action to reach out the low vision TF

Jean-Yves: the second example is valid html code

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