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Personalization Task Force Teleconference

30 Mar 2020

Attendees

Present
becky, janina, Roy, CharlesL
Regrets
sharon
Chair
SV_MEETING_CHAIR
Scribe
becky

Contents


<LisaSeemanKest_> clear agenda

<LisaSeemanKest_> scribe: becky

<scribe> scribe: becky

Lisa: we need to recruit more people to the task force

<janina> +1

Maybe we should try to do more presenting at conferences

charles: perhaps showing symbols, and demos we have

Lisa: What if we each reach out to people and organizations we know

Becky and Janina; we don't have people with experience to reach out to

isue 125 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-personalization-tf/2020Mar/0022.html

TAG review

Lisa: JF was going to work on this but isn't on the call today
... not having this is holding us up

becky: we had outlined what we needed to review at a previous meeting

<CharlesL> https://www.w3.org/2020/03/16-personalization-minutes.html

<LisaSeemanKest_> https://github.com/w3ctag/design-reviews/issues/476

Lisa: Need to follow the TAG explainer better, want more examples and considered alternatives

<LisaSeemanKest_> https://w3ctag.github.io/explainers#explainer-template

Lisa: make a wiki page - that seems to be enough to satisfy TAG; we can start there and JF can make changes. This will allow us to move ahead and not wait for him

isue 125 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-personalization-tf/2020Mar/0022.html

<LisaSeemanKest_> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-personalization-tf/2020Mar/att-0022/00-part

<Roy> https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/commit/708815242d4e52cb9266d18566fea0a91042713a

Lisa: Sharon worked on this - Roy integrated her suggestions, ask Sharon to review

<Roy> data-action = hide

<LisaSeemanKest_> https://www.w3.org/TR/personalization-semantics-content-1.0/

<Roy> https://w3c.github.io/personalization-semantics/requirements/#content-filtering-inception

Charles: first link Roy provided is diff showing Sharon's suggested edits; There is also data-action=hide that has not been confirmed but is in the requirements document

Roy: added this as a note

Charles: seems like we should remove data-action=hide; what would it have been?

Lisa: I think this was a list of filter words / triggers. Okay to remove for now.

issue 1133 https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/133

<LisaSeemanKest_> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-personalization-tf/2020Mar/0021.html

<LisaSeemanKest_> https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/133

Becky: drafted a response to I18N comments

Lisa: I have read it, there are a few things I might change but thought response was okay

Charles: we were linking to HTML purpose; didn't we think there were some non-input fields we could use these fields for. For example, a page with a home address already filled in - shouldn't that section be tagged - it doesn't have to be an input field - wasn't one of those of our use case

Lisa: it isn't going to only be for input fields

becky: this circles back to the issue I was looking at for section-****. This is the only one that is not a "purpose" that you need to input? For identifying a section of address that is already filled in

Charles: user is filling out a form with address, and submits the form, then it gets displayed (in non-editable) form - how to identify this to user

Lisa: you want the summary to have the symbol that I recognize as my address or phone, mom's maiden name

Becky: we don't think it is the AT's responsibility to interpret a heading?

Lisa: we are providing the clue to the AT but including the purpose

becky: so we are thinking that purpose can be applied to more than just input fields?

Lisa and Charles: yes that was the initial reasoning, it is not just for fields

becky: is it true that if you have an autocomplete on an input field you don't need to include data-purpose?

Charles: we need to recommend that as a best practice - AT should look at autocomplete values as well as data-purpose

discussion of what I18N question was about - really just wanted us to be aware that there may be potential changes to the HTML autocomplete values

Becky: what about section-***** ? Do we want to keep further.

Lisa: Should we use Becky's proposal and send to I18N? How to do this?

Charles: confusing on how to respond to I18N

Lisa: Change our issue to remove the draft and provide as response to I18N

<CharlesL> Here is the i18N issue

<CharlesL> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/issues/110

Charles: actually issue #110 in I18N is what needs to be updated

Becky to updated #133 and Lisa will submit into I18N issue #110

Lisa: have two more issues, #135 from David MacDonald, one at #137

<LisaSeemanKest_> https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/135

becky: I will draft response to #135 - aside for example, doesn't provide enough detail about what kind of distraction

Lisa: believe we need our requirements document to be in better shape, but I'm not sure why or what we need to do? TAG asked for different structure for explainer
... is is possible that if we reorganize the explainer we don't need to re-do the requirements? What is the requirements doc supposed to do? Is it user needs (re: the explainer) or is it the shoulds and must list of how to meet the spec.

Janina: we can look at it from perspective of use cases or more specifically the purpose of creating a normative specifications - why did you build this technology, what does it do

Lisa: what is difference between explainer and use cases and the requirements

<Roy> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/wcag21/master/requirements/index.html

Roy: here is the requirements for WCAG 2.1 as an example

Lisa: this is a short document - it doesn't go into use cases; this isn't a public document, it is just necessary to explain to the director? Do we have to have a req. document?

Janina: yes, we must have one, need it when transition for CR to PR

Charles: so this is more of an exec. level summary?

Janina: yes, kind of - for every feature that is normative in the spec. we need to justify why

Lisa: so what WCAG as said what they want to achieve

Janina: WCAG may not be the best example for us to rely upon

Lisa: we have lots of use cases that are poorly written using code snippets, etc.

Charles: seems we need to rewrite our req. document and make it more streamlined and less detailed

Janina: best to discuss this with Michael

Lisa: Will make a wiki page with the headings to get started;
... I did search for requirements docs online and they were not very detailed

<LisaSeemanKest_> https://www.w3.org/TR/personalization-semantics-requirements-1.0/#simplification-1

Roy: I will try to find one that Michael created original

Lisa: we got feedback that the doc at the above URL is not a good requirements document.
... must have requirements document in better shape before we ask for a TAG review

Janina: We need to get Michael on a call to discuss further

<Roy> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/WD-explainer-module123/requirements/index.html

<LisaSeemanKest_> https://www.w3.org/TR/personalization-semantics-requirements-1.0/#simplification-1

Lisa: will wait for Michael to draft up the headings

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

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