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ACT Rules Community Group Teleconference

26 Mar 2020

Attendees

Present
Adil, Wilco, Jean-Yves, Kasper, Daniel, shadi, EmmaJ_PR
Regrets
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Scribe
shadi

Contents


<Adil> https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/pull/1219

Final call https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/461

<Adil> AGENDA ITEM: Final call https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/461 taken up [from Adil]

<Wilco> https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/pulls?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aopen+is%3Apr+label%3A%22Final+call+1+week%22+

<Adil> Final call, things seems ready to merge

<scribe> scribe: shadi

WF: #1219 approved
... #1210 has some comments
... editorial changes
... then will merge

<Wilco> https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/pulls?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aopen+is%3Apr+label%3A%22Final+call+2+weeks%22+

WF: 2-week final call for #727
... long conversation
... 242 comments!
... 3 approvals now
... but could do with more reviews

JyM: will review

WF: got 1 week

Rules ready for W3C publication https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/1120

WF: 3 issues opened for the ACT TF to look at

<john> bonjour, sorry ... what's the zoom password ?

WF: thank you very much for everyone who worked on this
... Jean-Yves and Jey
... ARIA states properties?

JyM: waiting for approvals

WF: meta-viewport

JyM: Carlos has been working on this
... may also need review

WF: auto-play needs a lead person
... anyone interested?

DM: I'll try

WF: will skip the ones with open issues for now
... we already have a bunch in motion

Problems with 2 examples in 'ARIA required context role' (ff89c9) https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/1174

WF: example of correct ARIA but not corred HTML
... arguably does not meet SC 4.1.1 (Parsing)
... browsers can deal with this
... also this rule is mapped to 1.3.1
... does not say anything about 4.1.1

JyM: agree with that
... question of good example
... would it work with regular list item?

WF: no, that does not work

KI: this would fail our own rules for lists

WF: don't think it should

KI: this breaks the content model for lists
... isn't that the point for these rules?

WF: not necessarily
... need to look at that
... but seems like a separate discussion

DM: major screen reader combinations would not interpret this code
... voice-over on safari
... would at least update the accessibility support details

<EmmaJ_PR> Sorry to be so late

WF: not sure we should update the rule for this

<Wilco> https://act-rules.github.io/rules/ff89c9#passed-example-2

WF: voice-over/safari and JAWS/IE

<Wilco> https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/1174

<EmmaJ_PR> Ta

SAZ: how hypothetical is that code vs real-life issues?

DM: unusual construct

WF: valid ARIA
... accessibility tree works
... not too concerned about these combinations because they generally do not support some of these ARIA attributes

<EmmaJ_PR> https://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey8/#browsercombos

EPR: still in favor of demonstrating good practice
... not just that browsers will deal with them

JyM: most examples rely on inherent bad practice

EPR: is there another example that is more likely to occur?

WF: only thing that comes to mind is combo-box
... but that may be changing in ARIA 1.3

EPR: example in the applicability
... maybe tab and tablist
... no native HTML elements for that

JyM: agree with Emma
... maybe tab and tablist better
... but may need example with explicit and implicit role

WF: yes, need to cover that situation of mixed explicit and implicit roles together
... take out example?

EPR: if unneccassary
... this feels like bad practice
... not something we want to encourage

JyM: don't feel strongly
... think we will always get into this issue

DM: would add something to the accessibility support
... and keep example

AH: agree with Daniel

KI: on board as well

RESOLUTION: keep example and add clarification

ACT-R Github guidelines https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/1199

<Wilco> https://act-rules.github.io/rules/ff89c9#failed-example-3

Problems with 2 examples in 'ARIA required context role' (ff89c9) https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/1174

EPR: why owned by aria-label

WF: to get it into the accessibility tree

JyM: duplicating the inner part might solve the case

WF: good idea, update all of them

ACT-R Github guidelines https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/1199

WF: closing other people's issues when you have a pull-request
... we close issues when we open pull-requests

KI: this approach has backfired before
... don't particularly like it
... issue forgotten in the middle

WF: yes, maybe we should revisit this approach
... we wanted to avoid duplicate threads

JyM: do not write rules in issues anymore
... so maybe can revisit

EPR: also might close issue that is broader than just one related pull-request

WF: thinking of putting that into a mark-down file
... linked from README
... not needed on website

EPR: does this exist anywhere already?

SAZ: we have someone working on information design
... think this issue is part of that discussion

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

  1. keep example and add clarification
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