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<George> Chair Carry
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<George> Stephen is cleaning up the spreadsheet.
Stefan: Issue with organic chemistry. Functional groups distinction.
<George> Biochem needs its own category
Organic still may need its own.
Depends on how much we want to dig into organic chemistry.
Cary: Support position that organic should be treated seperately. Like grinard reagents could be tricky.
Stefan: much of that could be caught. But once we start to tag a lot, we start tagging content.
Neil: Do these abbrs show up inside a chemical forumula.
Niel: If these abbrs are showing up in text, better not to use mathML for them.
Cary: Are these abbrs in use by IUPAC? Should only create abbrs used by IUPAC.
Stefan: probably not.
Cary: It's not like we can't add those "informal" conventions later.
Stefan: Unit tag, chem symobl
tag, and a chemistry tag, we would get them all.
... We do't really need to define each term for biochem, but if
we just tag as biochem, maybe that's it.
Niel: There will probably need to be a reference to these. Because, when its being developed, we need to recognize when its biochem.
Geoirge: Are you getting what you need, Niel?
Niel: Yes. Glad sheet is getting
shorter.
... Not really appropriate to tag things as math when there's
not a lot of math around it.
... is there braille code for this other than coding it as
math?
Cary: Yes there is braille chemical code.
Hoping to have something by the end of the calendar year. It's an extention of nemeth code.
It's a superset of nemeth.
We're eliminating a lot of redundancies.
But, the braille code tried to accommodate symbols of all publishers, and we're trying to shoerten these.
Cary: with the chemistry code,
we're also working the ACS and will endorse our recommendations
that will get in use.
... Is the table done to your satisfaction?
Niel: seems like the first phase
is completed. We have the subject areas.
... At some point, you need to help the Volkers and the niels
of the world to tell them how to represent each thing.
Cary: Maybe this could be a subgroup of the committee figuring that out.
Niel: Maybe it's a matter of
setting aside several days to figure all that out.
... When you right your thing up, please includce unicode value
for the arrow.
A lot of things look similar.
George: Want to address this: When we talked about the MathML test book, many programs have a read outloud feature, and there's a toggle to turn off alt te.
This seems to be the same as the alt text in an image.
Niel: reason for this is that
there is some readers who cannot read mathml, so this gave an
alternative.
... lots of issues with this, and I strong encourage group to
read mathml and not just the alt text.
Geroge: MathJax has a funciton in which it can generate spoken, textual representation. When publishers have mathmL and image and alt text, publishers use alt text.
Niel: the generation of alt text should always be a fall back.
George: So, do we have the information that will make the enable the coreect generation of alt text.
Niel: think so.
... Hoping that all people like Volker will have to do is add
this chemistry rules to his engine and all will work.
and the alt text will be generated.
<NeilS> Volker's speech rule engine github repository: https://github.com/zorkow/speech-rule-engine
Franco: we've been generating a lot of alt text manually, so it's been spotty.
George: I think the benetech mathml cloud has been doing that, generating alt text.
Ashley: Volker wanted me to check some of his speech stuff that wasn't working with IUPAC. And then it wasn't working with the current version of JAWS.
Franco: So is the tool something that needs to be included in the epub package?
Cary: Stefan, Dan, Cary and others will get together to try to hash out the symobls we'll need. Please get back to Cary.
csupalo@ets.com
Drop Cary a note to say if you want to help. And we'll probably use the zoom room.
We need primarily chemistry content.
Niel: Any symbol you want to have spoken, you need to tell it how to speak it.
Cary: When do we want to meet next?
Maybe skip april for this group and plan for early may?
We'll get the other group together.
Next meeting: May 7 at 12pm EDT
Send names to Cary by Monday evening.
Monday evening 3/24. Let him know if you would like to be part of the subgroup.
should be Monday 3/23.
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