Agenda

McCool: repo reorg
... and should talk about the plan for Helsinki
... possible virtual plugfest
... discovery over VPN
... any other topics?

Repo reorg

McCool: new repo here

<McCool> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing

McCool: creating subdirectories here
... should update the README
... "Systems" includes information on tools

<McCool> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/918

McCool: this PR deletes obsolete materials
... move then to the wot-testing repo
... how do we feel about it?

Lagally: not really deleting anything?

McCool: right
... just move and restructure it later
... there are 5-6 different places about scenarios
... would reorganize it

Lagally: sounds good

McCool: reorganization will be done separately
... may cause several broken links but we can fix them later
... anybody feels we should wait?
... any objections to merge this?

(no objections)

Kaz: let's go for it!

McCool: PR 918 of the "wot" repo has been merged

Next plugfest

Helsinki f2f wiki

McCool: we should be consistent

Lagally: agree
... we should start with use case scenario and clarify gaps, etc.

McCool: agree requirements discussion to be done during the Architecture call
... but some of the information was installed separately so far
... I could make a proposal for a better procedure

Lagally: we should have some more agreement about how to do describe that

Kaz: agree with both of you
... and would suggest we should think about what would be needed and useful for new participants like Singapore govtech
... how to join the PlugFest activity, etc.

McCool: right
... would create 2 kinds of PRs
... reorg the structure and add templates
... next time we can discuss how to improve the procedure
... maybe for the new comers, some additional README should be provided
... (creates two issues)

Issue 2 - create a "participation" README

Issue 3 - reorg existing material

Kaz: in addition to the template, maybe there are 3 phases
... 1. gather common information about basic logistics and system setting
... 2. gather each participant's information based on the template
... 3. how to integrate all the collected information including possible demo scenarios

McCool: yeah
... but testing is a bit different from plugfest itself

Kaz: ah, yes. that's true
... however, we still need to think about that kind of 3 phases
... the 3rd phase would be how to integrate the information without concrete demo, though

McCool: (updates the Helsinki wiki as well)
... due to the Coronavirus issue, there is a possibility we need to cancel the Helsinki f2f
... in that case, we could try online meeting and online plugfest
... can we figure out how to set up VPN, etc.?
... know it's possible but we need experts
... also need a host who provides the service
... there are several choices
... we can do it ourselves, or hire somebody
... in the past, we ever had an online plugfest
... but we need to discuss the schedule
... what is people's preference?

Lagally: depends on the complexity of the content

McCool: right
... my expectation is getting prepared beforehand
... maybe people can solve issues using one hour from a day during the previous week
... possibly 2-week VPN is up: week before the plugfest for prepration, and the plugfest itself)
... participants commit to having all devices online all the week
... light meeting schedule, e.g., 1h everyday, to resolve issues

<inserted> people work offline or have 1:1 meetings to test pairs of devices

McCool: end we gather all test data and create a report
... that's what in my mind

Lagally: VPN set-up is one of the variants
... device connected directly with the Internet or via gateway

McCool: (adds Lagally's point to the wiki)

Ege: some use cases like hypermedia vocabulary within TD
... should assume a bit different network configurations

McCool: VPN, cloud and NAT traversal

Kaz: we should have 2 separate sections here
... 1. possible connection mechanisms
... 2. existing implementations/mechanisms to use

McCool: yeah
... note that VPN is used to simulate the local network

Kaz: yeah, I know about that
... but we should be clear enough for the new comers as well

Ege: probably we don't have to set up VPN services ourselves

Kaz: do you mean we can reuse some of the existing VPN services?

Ege: we can't reuse it directly but can think about some kind of collaboration...

McCool: we need to think about how to handle it transparently

Lagally: another comment
... if we look into media use cases
... input from the ME guys would be useful
... let's discuss it in detail tomorrow during the Architecture call

[adjourned]