<kaz> scribenick: ege

McCool: Monday, met with the Thing to Thing Research Group
... in order to meet in Helsinki
... talk about multiple themes with them
... update from MKoster on chip and other consortiums(?)
... reach out the ICWE organizers
... to have an information night, during the conference

Ege: make sure that you don't conflict the social events

McCool: they have WoT in the agenda

<McCool> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_6-11_June_2020,_Helsinki#Plugfest

McCool: (explaining a paragraph on the wiki about plugfests)
... we would need marketing for the workshop
... I have to send the budget to Intel to get financing
... need to hire a guard
... (gives cost of different items for the F2F)
... zoltan will test the internet related aspects the week before so send your requirements

http://plugfest.thingweb.io/playground/

Ege: new version of playground is available

McCool: we need a plugfest specific version of the implementation report

Ege: we need to use thing implementation and consumer implementation all the time, when we are talking about interoperability

McCool: we would need a csv file as a result of a test to capture this
... (shows an interoperability table between intel and hitachi)
... I have the tooling set up to generate a matrix but we need to decide what it means to pass an interoperability test

Ege: a column for each operation type would be good

Kaz: from w3c point of view, testing means specifications implementability

(Michael McCool has problem with audio connection)

<kaz> kaz: we should once clearly define all those three testing categories separately, and think about which includes what kind of testing, and then clarify which test assertions are derived from which specification documents

<kaz> scribenick: egekorkan

<kaz> kaz: "interoperability testing" should include both the client side (consumer) and the server side (producer), and we need to show concrete data transfer between them

<McCool> "there is a glitch in connecting to the webex service... please try again later"

<McCool> we are at the end of the hour anyway, so let's just call it a day

<McCool> anyway, please look at the wiki page, etc.

<McCool> and I will work on the tooling as described

<McCool> and we can continue discussing features etc next week

<McCool> any other business?

<kaz> just would like us all to remember we should clarify each category of "Testing" here :)

<McCool> sure, that was my intent

<McCool> "Conformance" is what is normally meant by testing in W3C

<McCool> "Interoperability" is additional testing for pairs of implementations working together

<McCool> ok, anyway, let's adjourn, if there isn't anything else...

adjourned