W3C

Accessibility Conformance Testing Teleconference

30 Jan 2020

Attendees

Present
Wilco, Trevor, KathyEng, Charu, Kasper, MaryJo, Shadi
Regrets

Chair
MaryJo, Wilco
Scribe
shadi

Contents


Rule publication tracking updates https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/conformance-testing/wiki/Rule_Publication_Tracking

<trevor> https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/issues/417

WF: everyone got a task

TB: added to the feedback, was mostly done

<Wilco> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/conformance-testing/wiki/Rule_Publication_Tracking

<kasper> https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/1077

KI: put the feedback in the Community Group GitHub?

WF: in our so that it is all in one place, then notify sender

MJM: will do mine tomorrow

WF: employing similar approach with the Community Group (CG)
... person responsible for submitting a rule to our repo
... they relay any feedback from Task Force TF back to the CG

Update to the Review Process

<Wilco> https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/pull/425/files

WF: no controversial updates
... agreed to do a CFC last week
... will do it this week

Element within body has valid lang attribute: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/93339/ACTValidLang2/results

WF: first comment ... from me
... think assumption could be clearer
... not a blocker

KE: identifying language is correct is when you need content

TB: inapplicable before content inserted by JavaScript?

WF: yes

TB: sounds good

WF: suggest raising issue but not blocking
... Kathy also suggests updating assumption

<Wilco> https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG21/Techniques/html/H58.html

CP: subcode, like "en-uk" is optional
... only primary code, like "en" is required
... should be reflected in assumption

<Wilco> https://act-rules.github.io/rules/de46e4

CP: example 2 should pass not fail
... yes, this needs to be changed

KI: working on this

TB: my comment is not meant strongly
... not sure how much value it offers

WF: apparently spaces in lang attribute can create issues
... need to include that too

<Wilco> https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/1087

WF: send feedback it is too strict?

CP: relates to issue on sub-code?

WF: kind of. wording is imprecise. BCP47 does not talk about "primary code"

SAZ: consistent naming seems useful to avoid confusion

<Wilco> http://github.com/w3c/wcag/

CP: i'm delighted to take this task!
... will raise issue on AG GitHub

WF: some more issues raised on this

<Wilco> https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/1130

WF: amount of issues suggest that rule is not a go

KE: we also use H58 in our work
... will changing that impact the other rule?

WF: yes, this affects two rules

KE: do we need to wait for response on these?

WF: don't think so
... nothing really wrong with H58 just imprecise wording
... will only make things clearer

Form control has accessible name: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/93339/ACTAccessFormName/results

WF: answer to question from Charu is "yes"
... community group between things having an accessible name, and things having a label
... separate things
... there is a different rule for 3.3.2
... should disabled form fields still require accessible name?

SAZ: think still UI component

WF: agree with that
... inactive button is still UI component

TB: inactive input ignored by screen reader?

KE: possibly not behave as form element

TB: needs visible label?

WF: think so too
... but separate issue from 4.1.2

TB: beware of double-reading

KE: disabled form field still a form?
... can't tab to it or interact with it

SAZ: definition for UI component provides "distinct function"
... when inactive, does it provide function?

WF: agree with that argumentation

KI: from ARIA spec, UI components disabled but still perceivable
... enabling may require some other action

MJM: for example, need to complete all input fields before submit button becomes enabled

WF: add to assumption "UI components still such when disabled"?

KE: agree needs to be perceivable
... but not sure it is still a UI component

MJM: still has role and function, just disabled

CP: agree with that
... needs name to be perceivable

WF: ok, needs additional assumption
... concerns with explicit role?

KE: had trouble pulling these into Report Tool
... are inapplicable according to our process

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

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