<pkorn> present_
<pkorn> (this time for sure)
<LuisG> Jeanne: wanted to start with the editor's draft
<scribe> scribe: janina
<LuisG> ah, go ahead
<pkorn> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/silver/conformance-js-dec/guidelines/
js: Lots of layout/look
edits
... Worked on filling in guidelines
... Started with visual contrast
... Want to get a sense on this call of what info should go
where
... Thinking how to advise agwg on changes we're bringing
up
<Fazio> I don't see either
pk: like the formatting and ease of reading
ch: With respect to where, I'm
unfamiliar with alternatives
... Very much like the visual contrast
... No substantive feedback yet, but it looks easy on the eye,
and that's good
js: Tried to rewrite the "
... how part, it was too complex, imo
pk: Looking at the tabs and
wonder about a tab or section that talks about automation
strategies
... At current knowledge, what are the good strategies
<Fazio> Interesting thing to me. We do a lot of usability studies, and our blind and low vision participants always speak about their impairment in terms of light perception. So, this is spot on in my opinion
pk: Suggesting an automation tab
for each SC to set out best practices
... Suggest expanding the text to make it clear what would go
there
... Suggest a bit stronger than just "tips"
... Should convey "here's what's known"
js: It's "tip" because we wanted it to be clear it's not mandatory--but that was discussion a year ago
<Fazio> WCAG 2.0 has "Understanding" and "Techniques" are we adding a section akin to "How it Relates to WCAG" or "Translates"?
js: Weren't planning on that
here, though we are expecting transition docs
... This design based on the notion that 2.X eventually goes
away
<Fazio> 20 countries rely on it for law
<Fazio> 1.0 to 2.0
js: Once ag is finished, we want to encourage it's use, rather than 2.x
df: notes U.S. law, other law
that enshrine 2.0
... Adding how translation occurs might be helpful, because the
laws change slowly
ch: Noting two tracks of
conversation, have response re format of this presentation, not
the content
... Seems presentation is currently most interesting
js: Asks D_Fazio noting 2.0 did
not do transition from 1.x to 2.0 directly in the doc; the
transition was separate as I recall
... That's W3C SOP
... Of course we could do it differently with good reason, just
not the usual approach
df: Not a lot of wcag understanding in general in Latin America, so think transition would be very beneficial
js: Don't believe we ever researched that
df: Latin America relies on wcag by law, but has not been active in W3C deliberations
js: I think we never thought to
ask about that during our research period
... Don't believe we asked about transitional materials or
integrating them
sl: My understanding is that we
would work with EO on how to do the transitional materials; but
not in the spec itself
... We should expect that even wcag 1.x will continue in use,
let alone 2.x, for some time
js: Back to content of the visual contrast ... to Chuck ...
<Fazio> my bad
ch: Like the simplified lang
approach
... 2nd para is definitely dense
... 1st para ...
<Chuck> Authors can use tools to evaluate design elements and adjust the attribute and color to achieve a presentation which meets the guidance.
ch: Trying to keep the voice consistent-- 3rd person
<Chuck> Authors can use tools to evaluate elements and adjust the attribute and color of those elements to achieve a presentation which meets the guidance
js: Done
ch: Want to listen now, not continue reading for review at the moment
js: Other comments?
... Any other comments about visual contrast and how it's being
put in? Should we go with this approach?
ch: Yes
df: yes
... Should we say something about giving the user the ability
tocustomize the colors they're using?
ch: Not yet introduced customization because we don't have the content yet to support it. But, it is one of the methods we intednt to include
df: Do you mean tech specific method as our new def, or a strategy for achieving
ch: methods list how, which could be tech based, or nontech
louis: Think we could say something generic about user power
js: Would be up to our
Co-Chairs
... Lean to put it in methods, because we're really saying
browsers need to give users better support here
ch: This may be a reference to OS level customization, not just user agent
louis: Ability of the user needs to be preserved whatever they're using
<Chuck> CAN I HEAR AN AMEN??!!
janina: Proposes the author proposes approach is generic across SC, and gets specific with methods for individual SC
<Fazio> Which has a bunch of COGA presentations this year
<Fazio> Yes ma'am!
js: Asking whether David's COGA presentations are CSUN?
<pkorn> I'm going to log out & back in again, so I can keep contributing...
js: COGA does want to meet with us end of Tuesday
<Fazio> I will be there
js: If attending, please register!
<Fazio> We've done some exciting work
sl: Apparently no one not in TF can sign up, and we want others, so something to manage
js: Asks whether anyone who's ONLY in the cg has had an issue registering?
Louis: Yes, me
js: Will work on it
... Now updated so everyone can see the results
pk: Dinner?
js: COGA suggested dinner
following Tuesday adjournment
... May be tricky, because keynote is Tuesday evening
js: Anyone here for an update?
<Fazio> S in Task Force?
<Fazio> "as
pk: Believe we've made progress
addressing some objections to Challenges
... Becoming cautiously optimistic we can make another run at
FPWD end of month
js: Other updates?
... Plan of what's next in visual contrast?
ch: Yes, conversations ongoing and need to get back on it; directly related to methods
js: I can report still working on rubric method for testing quality of clear language
<pkorn> Apologies - I need to drop a few minutes early.
js: Before the holliday break we began discussing a quality rubric for headings
<jeanne> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TgFWsggRNiUYU_N9GPCvU1KUhexiRWjYTelTKZPMAOE/edit
js: This is the template for
writing new content and for migrating existing content
... Standard old complaint is that it was hard to know what
passes and what fails; two experts could disagree; we want to
fix
maryjo: Strict heading nesting is
difficult because of mashups
... Agree that structure grouping is important; but strict
heading levels possibly not
js: Agree
... Reminder: This is not what you have to do; this asks how
good is what you have?
<LuisG> ah, good point
<LuisG> later
maryjo: Needs to be understandable; have a logical layout so users can understand the structure
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