https://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-WCAG20-20051123/intro.html#conformance

<scribe> scribe: janina

js: Want to review some of the work over the hollidays

Updates to Conformance section of ED

<jeanne> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/silver/conformance-js-dec/guidelines/

js: Recalling that we were iterating what we agree on and putting those in the Conformance section
... list of goals ... at least one needs more work

pk: Suggest saying not overemphasizing one disability over another
... the needs of one disability over another
... Need to not fail to meet the needs of all

mc: Asks whether we're talking from a design or conformance perspective

pk: Looking at Sec 3.1 -- We want scoring models that don't discriminate against some disability

<KimD> §3, second paragraph: We are attempting to better support common practice by providing mechanisms that better match the way the conformance claims are generally used on entire websites. We have several suggestions of how a company or organization can meaningfully claim conformance to an entire site, especially a large site.

pk: Important to work out how silver will help without being limited by historical thinking of what we want conformance to mean

js: Once we know what we want to do, I'd like to work with ITI on what the new VPATs will be

mc: Just U.S.?

js: Not any longer

pk: still being defined

js: Want to look at Sec. 3.5

<KimD> §3.5 Sampling: Representative sampling is a way to test large properties without having to test every screen. There are a number of approaches to sampling (several laid out in Website Accessibility Conformance Evaluation Methodology (WCAG-EM) 1.0). We studied several and picked the sampling techniques we agreed were most appropriate. The purpose of conformance sampling is to answer whether people building the product, app, site, or digital property do the[CUT]

<jeanne> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/silver/conformance-js-dec/guidelines/#x3-5-sampling

<KimD> ...do the accessibility work that matters? Are people with disabilities able to use the product, app, or site?

pk: Prefer to say "check" rather than "test"
... to check whether what is being claimed appears to be true
... sampling is to get a sense whether a claim is accurate

<pkorn> Rats, I may not be audible anymore.

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<pkorn> I need to remember my "45 minute limit" with WebEx.

<pkorn> Re-logging in now.

<pkorn> Reconnecting.

<pkorn> I think a lot of my concerns can be addressed with a one word addition: "The purpose of conformance sampling is to HELP answer whether people building the product, app, site, or digital property do the accessibility work that matters"

<jeanne> The purpose of conformance sampling is to help answer whether people building the product, app, site, or digital property do the accessibility work that makes the product more accessible to people with disabilities?

<jeanne> Sampling helps answer whether people building the product, app, site, or digital property do the accessibility work that makes the product more accessible to people with disabilities.

<jeanne> Sampling helps answer whether people building the product, app, site, or digital property have done the accessibility work that makes the product more accessible to people with disabilities.

pk: We have a hotel suite for up to 30 people for Monday and Tuesday ahead of CSUN for Silver F2F

js: Outstanding, because we might get additional folks from AGWG

<pkorn> Mic I have: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B071CGH8YF/

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