<Wilco> scribenic: emmaJPR
Wilco: lots of final calls open
Jey doing Thanksgiving so not attending
Brief discussion on table visibility for headers attributes
Emma: SC talks about the visual layout conveying associations
Question whether the cell a header references needs to have a columnheader or rowheader role
Jean-Yves: recalls something about the algorithm association not working otherwise
Needs to be researched again
Inapplicable 4 is so because headers don't work except on td elements
<Wilco> https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/pull/1038
<Wilco> https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/pull/1033
Interesting comments from cblouch that mean more research is needed
<Wilco> https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/pull/1029
Wilco: 1033 coming out of final call
<Wilco> https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/pull/1028
Wilco: image buttons need to meet
2 SC so covered by a different rule
... Emma can you open an issue about multiple rules/SC applying
to the same element
<Wilco> https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/pull/1014/
Jean-Yves: poor wording in PR title, techniques are accessibility mapping, not requirements
Wilco: Jey making good progress refactoring spelling issues, found a few to resolve
Carlos: working on #1010
with Brian
Wilco: looking for comments on
#833
... Carlos doing a fantastic job getting rules done
Wilco: we have comments from AG on first rules submitted, mostly on examples
<Wilco> https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/pull/1028/files
Wilco: mostly examples need to be
better written for consumption by machines
... we need to put some effort into rewriting examples
... some comments about the code, some about the
descriptions
Emma: working on some guidance for descriptions, should we provide guidance on code also?
Wilco: need to be careful that
examples are relevant and not misleading
... maybe a focus group
... asked Marco already, anyone else?
Emma: don't mind getting involved to help shape guidance document
Carlos: busy with other stuff but happy to help implement guidance
Carlos: Is there a way we
could notify implementors of changes?
... email could be enough
Jean-Yves: Agree.
Wilco: a more high tech solution could be difficult to build. Could add to agenda.
Carlos: or author of PR could know who has implemented and who to notify.
Wilco: final calls should alert implementers
Emma: do implementations need to keep up to date during development, or only when ready to go to AG?
Wilco: PRs in final call will need implementations updated before going to AG.
Emma: could there be a period between final call and sending to AG for implementations to update?
Wilco: need that to be as short as possible.
Emma: in meeting minutes doesn't mean people will read it.
Wilco: I'll start doing by hand for now.
Jean-Yves: subjective definitions are not suitable for applicability section of a rule, but could be used in assumptions
Wilco: applicability and
expectations need to be unambigous
... do we need to work through current definitions?
Jean-Yves: yes, maybe start with our own definitions
Carlos: also need to look at WCAG definitions, as we use them a lot
Wilco: that could get political
Shadi: should be OK to look at WCAG definitions, some are being updated. Bring it to the WG early. Could give an opportunity for 2.2 to improve definitions.
Wilco: over time ... final thoughts
Shadi: good meeting, good progress, nice to see lots of final call
Carlos: haven't made it for a while, good meeting
Emma: hard to type and talk, good to see lots happening
Jean-Yves: good discussion, few people
Wilco: maybe Thanksgiving
... maybe revisit morning slot
Bye all
Wilco, will you generate minutes?
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