W3C

Automotive Business Group Data Task Force Teleconference

31 Oct 2019

Attendees

Present
Ulf, Joakim, Glenn, Ted
Regrets
Chair
SV_MEETING_CHAIR
Scribe
Ted

Contents


Graph Project

Ted: an early order of business will be settle on graph engine, Neo4j and Tinkerpop seem like contenders but want to hear based on experiences

Joakim: Neo4j perhaps proprietary in their graph query language, tinkerpop I think supports multiple well
... what is the intent of this graph project?

Ulf: we decided at the f2f that it would be useful to gather some vehicle data from fleets or test vehicles and work it into VSS
... we will want to take into account GDPR and anonymization of course
... we can then make it available on this server at MIT through graph interface
... we can use this to demonstrate to others to help engage them in this standard effort

Joakim: I have access to trip and sensor data but key will be to strip any private information
... there could be some interesting analytics performed on it

Glenn: correct, we publicly expose a substantial amount of data at Geotab for public consumption that has gone through various scrubbing
... data.geotab.com
... we should define the privacy protocols. we worked with Lothar who you may remember from the workshop on this protocol
... we have had legal departments assess at universities we collaborate with

Joakim: I guess we'll have to write the translators to VSS
... Ulf's first responders use case was interesting

potential use cases

Ulf: all participating would need to be able to come up with these core signals to meet the use cases

Ted: Gen2 - web sockets and REST (HTTP). ViWi has Graph and HTTP->Graph is logical
... sockets+http in-vehicle, http+graph in cloud. we can work to combine with Ulf's Gen2 implementation and influence spec
... something tangible for people to play with and see the merits of standard

Joakim: if we decide on what signals, I can look to see if we can come up with a dataset to map

Ulf: I think we need to get interested parties together and extend table on wiki to identify what signals
... we need to formulate together, rules and policies for what is an acceptable anonymization level
... I think Glenn mentioned we already figured out something at Geotab we could share
... having a common if not standard set of anonymized signals that can be exposed would be helpful

Joakim: did Prof Lothar Determan produce a document we could follow?

Glenn: yes, he took a conservative approach based on GDPR (he is professor at US and German universities) and California regulations
... separating time and space alone goes a long way. getting permission from vehicle owners to participate provides consent as well
... we have a document and policy under review that we want to share

Joakim: besides just being online at W3C, we will want to get it out there as part of presentations

Glenn: I have one coming up at SAE/Government annual meeting in DC in January and I could provide an update on the project at that point

Ted: Speaking of governments and data I have been invited to present at a EU Commission meeting on Monday on telematics data governance but declined since it is too short notice not to mention political
Singapore GovTech has invited me to contribute to draft on data requirements for connected an autonomous vehicles as a MIT grant project
I am participating next week in Canada National Research Council AI4 Logistics (with US DOT) on data requirements for regulators for national transportation data interests
while I try to avoid politics and tell people we are working on a technically flexible solution for the business and legislative eventualities, I do feel there is a middle ground for the various stakeholders
I want us to define a nuanced solution (policy+best practices) that makes clear what subset of data can be used by which third party app in-vehicle, polling frequency, off-board to where and need for independent security assessment before business decision to allow it to run in a given OEM vehicle
I have outlined at a high level how this could work with various OEM execs and it was received favorably as they understand it is impossible for them to collect data in the cloud for every possible need, sometimes in-vehicle data sampling and edge computing will be necessary
I need to at least draft an outline for us and may be worth discussing in this group along with our prototyping

Joakim: we could work on the best practices and policy work in parallel

Ted: it is an opportunity to define something before it is demanded (by regulators)

Joakim: I can show our legal the anonymization ideas from Geotab

Next steps: decide on graph engine

refine signals for use cases in Ulf's wiki

basic policy on anonymization and/or clear consent rules

identify who provide data to be scrubbed and translated to VSS

Ted: tech and best practices/policy work can in parallel. other next steps

Ulf provides:

[[High level view

Create a list over potential big data analytics use cases, including required signals.

Project decides on a few to focus on.

Project defines a common understanding on appropriate rules, policies, and practices related to what is required for data to be anonymous, not to breach GDPR, or other similar requirements.

Project participants selects an appropriate internal sets of data related to the selected use cases, and applies the practices from the previous step.

Project participants transforms the data set from their proprietary format to the VSS format.

Project participants upload the transformed data to the MIT server.

Project participants work together on using big data analytics tools on the aggregated data lake according to the selected use cases.

The project and its results are presented to the automotive community at conferences. ]]

Ted: we'll refine and get into wiki

Joakim: this is interesting and excited

Ulf: we all stand to learn from this

[adjourned]

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

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