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October 29, 2019 ARIA Authoring Practices Telecon

29 Oct 2019

Attendees

Present
Matt_King, sarah_higley, evan, ZoeBijl, carmacleod, CurtBellew
Regrets
Chair
Matt King
Scribe
Jemma, carmacleod

Contents


<sarah_higley> thanks Jemma! I can't wait to read through those closely

<Matt_King> agenda link: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/October-29%2C-2019-Meeting

<Jemma_> Scribe: Jemma

Meter

<Jemma_> All the reviews are done so it is ready to be merged.

ARIA colindextext and rowindextext

<Jemma_> there is mapping issue so we would not do this for this milestone.

<jamesn> https://github.com/w3c/core-aam/issues/53

Listbox example

<Jemma_> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/913

<jamesn> although that issue doesn't have mozilla's comments in it

<jamesn> (core-aam 53 , I am looking for their comments

<Matt_King> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1191

<Jemma_> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1191

<carmacleod> Scribe: carmacleod

mck: editorial reviews complete

<Jemma_> I will be back in a second after restarting the computer;

mck: visual design review. Zoe made changes. Was it just to appearance, or css?

<jamesn> colindextext and rowindex text ARIA issue is being tracked in https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1102

zoe: both. changed css selectors, layout, and made it ook a bit more modern

mck: creating a raw githack preview...

<Matt_King> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/aria-practices/913-listbox-groups/aria-practices.html

<sarah_higley> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/aria-practices/913-listbox-groups/examples/listbox/listbox-grouped.html

<ZoeBijl> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/aria-practices/913-listbox-groups/examples/listbox/listbox-rearrangeable.html

zoe: gave the group box rounded corners, would like to make list items same height

jamesn: single select listbox example 1, if I arrow up and down it moves from unimportant to important features

sarah: separate issue

jamesn: they should be consistent

zoe: agree

sarah: test review isn't checked but valerie says she did test review, so I'll check it
... only thing missing is a11y review

zoe: I'll do that

<ZoeBijl> Here's the CSS: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1191/files#diff-eaa3af5513d88dc21af506feb5525800

zoe: would be interested to hear people's thoughts on the readability of the css, so maybe can use as a basis for the guidelines

sarah: should we do the css review in a separate issue?

zoe: good point, and I'll link to this issue

<Jemma> this is local css for listbox only.

<ZoeBijl> Code readability issue: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/1180

mck: the only other thing in this milestone is changing 1.1 to 1.2

<Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/1225

Tabbed Carousel

github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1120

<ZoeBijl> https://cdpn.io/Moiety/debug/30408bfbd4f8168d4b1d5520f7699353

<ZoeBijl> https://codepen.io/Moiety/pen/30408bfbd4f8168d4b1d5520f7699353

zoe: this is not done yet - it is just me coming up with something that looks good

<Jemma> I have a concern for scope creep of tabbed carousel example.

zoe: it has all of the required bits that are in the original carousel, it's accessible, and looks more more modern
... would like to add tooltips to the buttons because they are currently just icons. up to changing to just text, but I prefer icons

<Jemma> we have been discussed tabbed carousel example since March 2017

mck: the history on this is that there are carousels in the wild that are not accessible

<sarah_higley> 😂

zoe: don't see the need for 2 separate designs

carmacleod: why does the fushia bar span tabs 1 and 2?

zoe: the bar grows with progress

<Jemma> mck: we need to indicate that which one is the current selection

jamesn: every carousel in the wild is removing stuff, but we are adding more

<Jemma> +1 Jamesn

mck: need to indicate which tab is currently selected

zoe: you could remove the tab stuff and the progress bar and only have the next/play/previous buttons - there are options to make it more minimalistic

<Jemma> jemma: I think it would be ok if we remove red progress bar and indicate the current selection from Zoe's example. Still my biggest concern is that we are starting brand new accessible again.

zoe: I get what you are saying, james, but many real life carousels are not accessible

sarah: I like the look - the extra chrome is ok - had questions about the fushia bar as well

mck: who can do functional testing?

carmacleod: I can

Naming guidance for blockquote, meter and time roles

github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1231

<Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/1212

mck: part of me is wondering whether we should discourage accessible label on these

sarah: I agree that it's not a good pattern. Can we say that you can't name them?

<sarah_higley> ^ sorry, I was unclear. I meant "can we say you can't use aria-label on them?"

mck: we don't think there's value labelling it unless there's a visible label (for blockquote and time)
... trying to imagine real world examples of time - labelling it is probably just going to cause screen reader problems
... blockquote - if there's a visible label, that would work ok in screen readers

jamesn: I don't like the word "discretionary" in the table - it sounds to "positive"

mck: used to have "Sometimes", "Never", "Occasionally", but that didn't work too well

jamesn: Ok, let's not worry about the word.

mck: we can discourage it in the comments if it's "Discretionary"

<Jemma> I think we need to provide more strong guidance rather than discretion.

APG 1.2 Release Planning

mck: currently 108 issues in milestone - need to triage it down to top 15 or so

sarah: I'm happy to help weed out the low-hanging fruit

<sarah_higley> sorry, I have to drop now. I'll check the minutes later for the tag name. Thanks everyone!

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

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