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jorydotcom: this came from an idea - the open js foundation has been a w3c member for a long time ...

recently merged with nodejs foundation ..

wanted to talk about and coordinate efforts and we thought it would be great to have a session where we could talk to members of w3c, our members in wgs, our projects

scribe: not a really formal session, we wanted to do conversation and brainstorming

where do we see opportunities to do more coordination/involvment/partnerships

<jory presents slides>

32 projects - some of them are in emeritus stage

5 impact projects

the rest are at large/growth projects

they represent a diverse set of concerns

actually - let's do introductions...

<introductions>

returning to the projects... as you can see they are diverse, we're looking for how we can coordinate more and particpate more in standards

the structure of the open js foundation...

board of directors board, cross project council, impact, growth, at large and emeritus projects

the CPC is the group of people in the community who are very active in helping make sure the community can help drive the activity of the foundation ...

one of the programs that we want to do is a standards working group - we just started meeting bi-weekly a month or two ago ...

we w to be talking with and working with the w3c, what can we do to strengthen this

torgo: what are the outcomes we would like to see happen that aren't happening now

cb: for people who build standards, they miss use cases - I think that's one part where projects can really help...

the projects can help provide feedback and make sure we are helping improve that

torgo: I just heard about the webxr community providing a spec and a javacript library that is a companion -- not officially part of the spec but I think will be published with the w3c license...

is this something that we can do better

tobie: isn't there related rtc stuff?

torgo: I am just saying this one because I think it is one I just heard - but I think there are other examples like this that could use a center of gravity

tobie: it would be intersting to have a governance model around a project like this because it would be a lot for a small thing, but I wonder if they could all fall under one sort of unbrella thing in the open jsf or something

jory: interesting idea

wseltzer: question because I am relatively new to the open js foundation ... what does it add here?

jory: I think there are some things - discoverability, perhaps less accessible to the broader audience. They might not even realize as easily that they could _contribute_, but if it is an open js foundation thing, they do expect that

tobie: lifecycles are also very different

sangwhan: it would be great if polyfills could be that way

bkardell_: thanks for saying that, I was trying to bring that up in between typing

tobie: I wrote a polyfill when I was doing geolocation, and I had this problem, it got out of sync quickly and I couldn't maintain it.. I dont think people knew they could help

sangwhan: also licensing issues apply to the spec, not the library

wseltzer: we could fix that

sangwhan: there are specs happening in w3c that don't need a browser techincally, but we built it so that it does require a browser. Example: service workers rulesets - could be useful for building routers for example, but it requires service workers
... it would be good to get feedback as soon as possible

jorydotcom: bkardell_ and littledan have been working on some outreach to do this, and we've been thinking about how to do this recently and integrate it
... we have people in open js foundation who are involved in other tc too - tc-53, for resource constrained devices

https://twitter.com/StandardsIn2Min

torgo: I find this frustrating - like even with mdn, you find all of this extremely detailed infromation but the thing you often want is just the high level "what even is this?" - I wonder if there is opportunity for collaboration of 2 minute standards with mdn, for example

bkardell_: I think yes

wseltzer: this is very interesting for thinking about the ecosystem and collaboration... it seems like code is where we could do more for the ongoing maintenance
... are there things that go in the other directions

bkardell_: a lot of examples of that already I think , so yes

tobie: lots of examples of things that span, like modules

wseltzer: are there things w3c could be doing to be a better partner here?

joyee: we are already working with whatwg and node but only in the form of writing code... it would be great if the foundation could help facilitate the communication. People who implement and test, work together - and that helps... but sometimes in node-core for example, we ask for a justification, we can't make changes ...
... i would hope the foundation could help facilitate

jorydotcom: I think we have examples of projects that were designed to solve... we've had fair success in getting feedback, there's not as many recent examples I can think of and I think that should change. We have projects that are working to solve things like internationalization or accessibility
... and we should be working with standards there
... if you go to the website, there is a slack link and a standards channel there that you can join... it is open to anyone in our project community - we take a pretty liberal view to what that means, we would love to have any of you as participants

torgo: what are the action items?

bkardell_: we can open an issue

torgo: where?

github openjs-foundation/standards

jorydotcom: we can also just go ttalk to some we know about if you know them... we could talk to the xr folks

torgo: go talk to ada while here - we can use it as a case study

jorydotcom: we can ask other groups
... do we know that or something?

wseltzer: no.. we don't
... especially if we had some benefits to describe to them, it would help for that

tobie: knowing the process to create a project - i worry that if we make it super complicated, it will be very uncompelling. You want to create a thing just for this basically

torgo: you want to talk to them though and figure out what that looks like... some kind of space that is jointly branded/held

bkardell_: asks about the stuff w3c historically developed

(nothing really interesting discussed)

tobie: hmmm now that you mention it, we have a whole lot of tools -- a whole bunch of tools, they could live here?

respec? bikeshed? I have stuff... for a lot of that though, you have to make it easy to not disincentivize it

jorydotcom: we have that meeting mentioned before next tues - the 24th, at 18:00 UTC, you can find the invite on the site, or slack and ask

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