<scribe> scribe: carmacleod
<MarkMccarthy> Link to agenda: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/September-10%2C-2019-Meeting
<mck> agenda link: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/September-10%2C-2019-Meeting
<jongund> we can hear you
https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/milestone/10
<CurtBellew> I got audio working for me just before that happened :)
mck: when will we push this out? Was it supposed to be Friday?
jamesn: It hasn't happened
yet
... if it doesn't happen until after TPAC, that's ok
mck: currently have 7 things in
that branch that are ready to go
... jon pushed change to menu where it should use data
attribute
... car made changes to IDL button
... so we are up to 9 done
<MarkMccarthy> I also seem to remember Sarah taking up <meter>
jamesn: meter pattern - was Sarah going to update that?
mck: meter may not make the third working draft
jamesn: that's ok
https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/1150
jamesn: this isn't about anything new introduced in aria
mck: should we add info to apg about how slider/spinbutton doesn't work in VO?
<MarkMccarthy> I don't think it'd hurt to add some caveats where necessary, along with what jamesn is saying.
jamesn: I recommend that people don't use slider/spinbutton roles because they don't work in all AT
mck: sounds like there are certain patterns that we should put warnings on
jamesn: I do want to get them fixed...
<MarkMccarthy> I think that, though we may not recommend certain things, folks looking for resrouces might not know that, and know that APG is a good source. So it may indeed be good, in the interim
mck: does someone want to take this on and figure out what type of warning to put on certain patterns and where we should put it
<MarkMccarthy> I could try to take a stab at a message over the next week
<MarkMccarthy> Probably basically noting what you just said Matt
jamesn: need to get the 2nd phase of AOM done, which will solve this problem of missing API
mck: patterns would have to be
redone to listen for AOM events
... but for now, perhaps we need to say which patterns have
problems?
<jongund> bye
<MarkMccarthy> +1 to Sarah's comment on offering remediation after using some APG examples
mck: bottom line is you have to
test
... if no takers right now, will add it to the milestone for
release 1
<Sarah_Higley> feeling FOMO over here :D
<MarkMccarthy> carmacleod: I had opened an issue saying consider similar concepts. maybe it could go in the same area as that - suggesting other "things to consider"
<MarkMccarthy> carmacleod: something like "consider using this HTML thing instead because XYZ"
<MarkMccarthy> carmacleod: it'd be just text, probably link to HTML spec. just spitballing right now though
https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/633
mck: draft prs are always welcome
<Sarah_Higley> +1 to Mark & Zoe's +1s
<jamesn> Codepen link looks awesome
mck: example: https://raw.githack.com/w3c/aria-practices/issue1102-open-example-codepen/examples/slider/multithumb-slider.html
<MarkMccarthy> Codepen doesn't work in IE (for testing) unless it uses debug links
mck: there's a button that opens
the code in CodePen
... do people like this idea?
<jamesn> Feature request to automatically run tidy on the HTML
car: I like it!
<MarkMccarthy> +1 to style and placement
jamesn: should it be a link or a button?
mck: opens in new tab
jamesn: maybe don't have heading - just button (or link)
mck: please add feedback to https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1110
mck: will send out to the list
before TPAC
... slide 3 explains evolution of combobox
... essentially a textbox with a combobox inside of it
... for 1.0
... for 1.1 combobox changed to a container with a textbox and
sibling listbox
... slide 4 the problem is that because listbox was owned by
textbox, many AT couldn't see listbox
... the only way to perceive the options in the listbox was to
have screen reader in forms mode and it would read
aria-activedescendants
... in 1.1, combobox is now container, problem is it's not
focusable
... combobox role is on non-focusable container
... because of big changes, screen readers did't figure out how
to support it
... there were naming issues, we discussed those in May
... for 1.2, proposal is to go back to 1.0 structure, but
listbox is controlled by textbox instead of owned by
... similar to menubutton that controls menu
... nicest part of this proposal is we wouldn't have to change
any screen readers
... 1 line of html, 1 line of js, works awesome (better than
1.0 pattern, better than 1.1 pattern)
... tested in JAWS/NVDA with Chrome/FF, VO with Safari,
Narrator with Edge
q
<MarkMccarthy> Good point James
jamesn: we need to have this conversation with MS before TPAC
sarah: native windows combobox is
a container - explorer.exe - has textbox and listbox
children
... I will definitely talk to Melanie and the team
mck: need to look also at select
size=1
... this proposal is in some ways an attempt to emulate select
size=1
... somehow UIA is representing select size=1 as a combobox
(without a wrapper)
sarah: it doesn't have a child edit
mck: I will have a draft version ready today - will send to the aria list
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