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DXWG CNEG Subgroup telecon

08 August 2019

Attendees

Present
LarsG, ncar, roba
Regrets
Chair
ncar
Scribe
LarsG

Meeting minutes

Confirm agenda

+1

<ncar> +1

<roba> +1

Resolved: Agenda confirmed

Approve minutes from last meeting – https://‌www.w3.org/‌2019/‌08/‌01-dxwgcneg-minutes

+1

<roba> +1

<ncar> +1

Resolved: Approve minutes from last meeting

Check list of open action items

<ncar> https://‌www.w3.org/‌2017/‌dxwg/‌track/‌products/‌4

action-193?

<trackbot> action-193: Rob Atkinson to Move jmeter test suite to within w3c systems -- due 2018-09-05 -- OPEN

roba: still open

action-347?

<trackbot> action-347: Rob Atkinson to Create new gh issue explaining the problem of redirects and refer to that issue in the wd -- due 2019-07-18 -- OPEN

<ncar> This action is already addressed by Issue 603

roba: there is an issue 603 but is it really reflected in the draft?

ncar: don't think so

ncar: will go into an early part of the abstract model

roba: abstract model is correct for web architecture

ncar: will put that into an existing PR
… then roba can commit to that PR in the same branch
… Shall paste issue 603 into the document
… which should resolve the issue
… Done (reference to 603 is now in the document)
… and we can close 347

close action-347

<trackbot> Closed action-347.

action-351

<trackbot> action-351: Lars G. Svensson to Review antoine's comments and check if the 3pwd addresses them all -- due 2019-08-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<LarsG> was dealt with in last week's meeting. can be closed

close action-351

<trackbot> Closed action-351.

action-355

<trackbot> action-355: Lars G. Svensson to Respond to tom baker re uris for profiles inside of documents -- due 2019-08-08 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<LarsG> mail has been sent to comments and WG lists. Can be closed

close action-355

<trackbot> Closed action-355.

action-356

<trackbot> action-356: Nicholas Car to Implement antoine's suggestions as laid out in https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/575#issuecomment-515982929 -- due 2019-08-08 -- OPEN

ncar: not yet complete

action-357?

<trackbot> action-357: Rob Atkinson to Add examples using 303 redirects -- due 2019-08-08 -- OPEN

ncar: there are a number of examples in the doc. the fourth example currently has a 303 redirect

roba: Need some time to review
… keep open

action-358?

<trackbot> action-358: Rob Atkinson to to convene working session to co-develop common model to match link header data and alternates view requirements. -- due 2019-08-08 -- OPEN

ncar: has thought about this but not done anything yet.

roba: have been working through the requirements
… but need working code
… will get to it asap

Discussion of Antoine's conneg doc edits. We particularly should look at #11 (referencing issue 591)

https://‌github.com/‌w3c/‌dxwg/‌issues/‌575#issuecomment-515982929

ncar: Have done quite some edits but not all.
… need to discuss #11
… have done #4, #5, #6, #7 and #15
… there is a separate branch for this in github
… #16 is a long one, need to come back to that and the following ones
… #11: if you want to have a preference order of profiles
… you need an ordered list
… Antoines asks what happens when the q-Values differ from that preference list
… my understanding is that q-values give a preference order

<LarsG> +1

ncar: one could use q-values with query string tokens, too

roba: cannot say if one of the othere is better

ncar: abstract model says "some kind of list ordering"

ncar: default is not to have any ordering in QSA
… so we need to find a way to do it

roba: seems reasonable

<Lots of discussion about how q-values are used in conneg and if we need to mimick that exactly in QSA>

<LarsG> : Those who want to use q-values probably use header-based conneg anyway

... so we don't really need them in QSA

ncar: will craft a proposal
… as part of the ongoing edits
… #16
… #17 shall check this one
… #18 text removal, easy
… #19 shall look.

Status check of 3PWD Issues: https://‌github.com/‌w3c/‌dxwg/‌milestone/‌20

<ncar> Try this link for ordering: https://‌github.com/‌w3c/‌dxwg/‌issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+milestone%3A%22Conneg+3PWD%22

ncar: #538, we should close this one and create new issues for the remaining parts
… #575 in progress
… #589 Jaro hasn't responded so let's keep it open for another few days
… #591 part of #575, too. We must align
… #678 in on LarsG who hasn't done anything yet

roba: we don't have a use case

ncar: #785

roba: this is to clarify if we need distinct URLs for all representations

ncar: we've answered it already
… shall put the link to the new example into the issue
… and then we can ask Kam if he's fine with that
… #852

roba: still open, shall have a look at the 303 examples

ncar: #904 Is probably closed since we've proposed a solution
… are we happy with the propsed way?

roba: shall look closer during my implementation

ncar: OK, let's close and then re-open if necessary

+1

ncar: #932 we've got a recommendation to list all profiles

roba: then the clients might get a long list ...
… and then it still needs to figure out which is the most specific one

ncar: it will take one that it knows from the list, and if it doesn't know any of the profiles
… then it's not worse out than before

roba: What is taken as base specification is a context specific choice
… would like to leave this open a bit more
… it's easier to think through when you implement

ncar: #1017

roba: think we've done that, have written text

ncar: shall read the discussion and mark due for closing if it's covered

+1

ncar: #1022

roba: there is no functional requirement in conneg to differentiate between "functional" and "data" profiling

ncar: shall read the last comments and see if it's ok

From the plenary

ncar: if we give the plenary the 3wpd on August 15, they have two weeks time to review and then we can go to publication

Summary of resolutions

  1. Agenda confirmed
  2. Approve minutes from last meeting
Minutes manually created (not a transcript), formatted by Bert Bos's scribe.perl version Mon Apr 15 13:11:59 2019 UTC, a reimplementation of David Booth's scribe.perl. See history.

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